Erin in the Morning does one for the various United States, if it gets so bad that federal regulations attack us, I wouldn’t be surprised to see cities and states declaring themselves official sanctuaries like they do for immigration
Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s safe enough. What would stop a Trump Gestapo from marching into one of those cities? People need places to seek asylum where Trump’s regime can’t touch them.
Sure, but I don’t think that’s a salient threat in the near term.
What would stop a Trump Gestapo from marching into one of those cities?
Presumably the human people in the military who would prevent it, at least until removed. And the people in the other branches of government who would object to the deployment of federal troops for an overly offensive purpose against the us itself.
We all take that chance every second of every day, only difference is how strong the presumption is. I am currently confident that I can remain in the country without my life being threatened by the us military in the short term. If trump wins, the numbers will change, but the conclusion will not, at least not immediately.
Fuck that FlyingSquid I’m not running. My boys are LGBTQ and guess what I am going use my second admenment rights to protect them.
Lets not run I know your in same boat as me in a way except I’m not Jewish but goddammit lets not run lets fight. The fuck if I’m going stand back and watch the same shit that happen in Germany happen here. You shouldn’t either.
We have the play book we know where this is leading, so we should have advantage to stop it. First we will try voting this November if that doesn’t work then it’s the next steps.
Jews did fight back. Millions died anyway. Also 15,000 people accused of being queer whether they were or not, and only a number that low because so few people were out of the closet.
You fight all you want. My daughter is queer and I’m leaving to keep her safe if Trump gets in.
My son is queer and my another son is bi and I will fight because this isn’t Germany this America we the far right has made the second amendment the corner stone of their party. As someone on the far left I am going take full advantage of this and they are going fuck around and find out.
Not only should I not run it is almost impossible for us in America to do so if weren’t well off to do so.
Good luck to you. But lets try and get Biden elected and then after that lets fucking take down both parties from inside if need be.
Nazi Germany wasn’t Nazi Germany until it became Nazi Germany.
You go ahead and have your little firefight at the expense of your family. I know exactly what happened to my relatives that didn’t leave continental Europe in the 1940s.
Glad you think I am rich enough to leave and guess your loaded with money and the skills that will allow a foreign country to take you in? Seriously leaving America is not easy and not many countries are going take us in. So I have no choice roll over our fight.
Rich enough? Until now, this was about you choosing to stay. Not being able to leave is an entirely different matter. That is not what you said to me. This is what you said:
Fuck that FlyingSquid I’m not running. My boys are LGBTQ and guess what I am going use my second admenment rights to protect them.
Lets not run I know your in same boat as me in a way except I’m not Jewish but goddammit lets not run lets fight. The fuck if I’m going stand back and watch the same shit that happen in Germany happen here. You shouldn’t either.
If this is about you not having the means to leave but would like to, that should have been made clear. Because in that post, you expected me to stick around too. Nope. Not going to. Sorry you can’t leave, but if Trump is elected, we are getting the fuck out.
No I was pointing out the crazy idea you’re just going leave. I seen your post before your not rich. I doubt you be able to get out either. Besides were would you go? Everywhere I look the right are taking over. France, UK, hell Germany moving to the right and hear Switzerland is far right.
Far as New Zealand and Finland they have strict guidelines to become citizens. Dude I’m saying running probably an option. Im not running because I know I can’t and shouldn’t. Why I stay in shithole Oklahoma. Can’t change things if I run to what is today maybe blue or left leaning.
Besides if Trump wins fascism will just spread. America as a long reach.
First of all, the right just had a massive loss in the UK. That is where we would most likely go, since I have dual citizenship, although there’s also the possibility of Germany since I also have the possibility of dual citizenship there.
As for how? Sell everything we have. Borrow money if we have to. This is about our daughter’s life.
Besides if Trump wins fascism will just spread. America as a long reach.
Cool, I’d rather risk her being thrown into a concentration camp in 10 years than 1.
Stop moving the goalposts. First this was about how we both needed to stay here and fight, then it was about how you couldn’t afford to leave, now it’s about how you think I don’t have the means to leave and everywhere else is just as bad anyway.
I disagree with the first point, the second point is, I’m sorry, not my problem and the third and fourth are not yours.
Are there countries that will take in trans asylum seekers from the U.S.? Maybe a list of them to post in these threads would be in order.
Erin in the Morning does one for the various United States, if it gets so bad that federal regulations attack us, I wouldn’t be surprised to see cities and states declaring themselves official sanctuaries like they do for immigration
Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s safe enough. What would stop a Trump Gestapo from marching into one of those cities? People need places to seek asylum where Trump’s regime can’t touch them.
Sure, but I don’t think that’s a salient threat in the near term.
Presumably the human people in the military who would prevent it, at least until removed. And the people in the other branches of government who would object to the deployment of federal troops for an overly offensive purpose against the us itself.
Presumably? Would you take that chance if it was your life?
We all take that chance every second of every day, only difference is how strong the presumption is. I am currently confident that I can remain in the country without my life being threatened by the us military in the short term. If trump wins, the numbers will change, but the conclusion will not, at least not immediately.
Fuck that FlyingSquid I’m not running. My boys are LGBTQ and guess what I am going use my second admenment rights to protect them.
Lets not run I know your in same boat as me in a way except I’m not Jewish but goddammit lets not run lets fight. The fuck if I’m going stand back and watch the same shit that happen in Germany happen here. You shouldn’t either.
We have the play book we know where this is leading, so we should have advantage to stop it. First we will try voting this November if that doesn’t work then it’s the next steps.
Sorry, the idea that the Jews could have survived the Holocaust if they fought back is a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_resistance_in_German-occupied_Europe
Jews did fight back. Millions died anyway. Also 15,000 people accused of being queer whether they were or not, and only a number that low because so few people were out of the closet.
You fight all you want. My daughter is queer and I’m leaving to keep her safe if Trump gets in.
My son is queer and my another son is bi and I will fight because this isn’t Germany this America we the far right has made the second amendment the corner stone of their party. As someone on the far left I am going take full advantage of this and they are going fuck around and find out.
Not only should I not run it is almost impossible for us in America to do so if weren’t well off to do so.
Good luck to you. But lets try and get Biden elected and then after that lets fucking take down both parties from inside if need be.
Nazi Germany wasn’t Nazi Germany until it became Nazi Germany.
You go ahead and have your little firefight at the expense of your family. I know exactly what happened to my relatives that didn’t leave continental Europe in the 1940s.
Glad you think I am rich enough to leave and guess your loaded with money and the skills that will allow a foreign country to take you in? Seriously leaving America is not easy and not many countries are going take us in. So I have no choice roll over our fight.
Rich enough? Until now, this was about you choosing to stay. Not being able to leave is an entirely different matter. That is not what you said to me. This is what you said:
If this is about you not having the means to leave but would like to, that should have been made clear. Because in that post, you expected me to stick around too. Nope. Not going to. Sorry you can’t leave, but if Trump is elected, we are getting the fuck out.
No I was pointing out the crazy idea you’re just going leave. I seen your post before your not rich. I doubt you be able to get out either. Besides were would you go? Everywhere I look the right are taking over. France, UK, hell Germany moving to the right and hear Switzerland is far right.
Far as New Zealand and Finland they have strict guidelines to become citizens. Dude I’m saying running probably an option. Im not running because I know I can’t and shouldn’t. Why I stay in shithole Oklahoma. Can’t change things if I run to what is today maybe blue or left leaning.
Besides if Trump wins fascism will just spread. America as a long reach.
First of all, the right just had a massive loss in the UK. That is where we would most likely go, since I have dual citizenship, although there’s also the possibility of Germany since I also have the possibility of dual citizenship there.
As for how? Sell everything we have. Borrow money if we have to. This is about our daughter’s life.
Cool, I’d rather risk her being thrown into a concentration camp in 10 years than 1.
Stop moving the goalposts. First this was about how we both needed to stay here and fight, then it was about how you couldn’t afford to leave, now it’s about how you think I don’t have the means to leave and everywhere else is just as bad anyway.
I disagree with the first point, the second point is, I’m sorry, not my problem and the third and fourth are not yours.
Good call. Might be good to start a wiki or the like for the purpose so that we can keep it up to date.