• Neato@ttrpg.network
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    5 months ago

    Yes. They sold the equipment under stipulations on how it will be used. If the US just gives Ukraine massive long-range offensive capabilities then Russia will treat that as a declaration of a proxy war and may attack US forces elsewhere. Or escalate in other ways. No one wants a desperate Russia. They want Russia to spend itself to death, again. And die like it did in the cold war.

    • Squizzy@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Thats just the excuse, Ukraine has not declared war on anyone despite Iran, North Korea and China providing weapons to Russia. Russia just likes to rattle and make noise and the wst constantly walks on egg sells.

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        5 months ago

        We’re too nice. We work hard on making a society in which basic security negotiations aren’t necessary, but the drawback is that we forget how to do that.

        We’re too successful in keeping people safe, and now we don’t remember how to deal with monsters.

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      5 months ago

      And die like it did in the cold war.

      Except it only appeared to die. Ukraine gave up its nukes in the 90s on the belief Russian aggression had “died” in the cold war.

      • breden@reddthat.com
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        5 months ago

        No, they gave up their nukes for the promise of Ukrainian independence and it was seen as good deal because Moscow still held sole control over all launch sequences.

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      5 months ago

      Yeah, that’s what the rest of the west want, but Ukraine just want to punch Russia in the face and send them packing. They don’t have the people or morale for a full-on meat grinder war over the next decade.

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        They don’t have the people or morale for a full-on meat grinder war over the next decade.

        Russia doesn’t have the people or morale. Ukrainians are defending their homes with outside support, Russians are being dragged kicking and screaming into war with blocking troops behind them so they can’t turn and run.

        Russia had a major demographic problem before any of this started, then a bunch of young men fled mobilization, now thousands are dying every week. The Kremlin’s last mobilization was deeply unpopular.

        This isn’t the combined power of the USSR driven by an ideological hope for a better future, it’s a shrinking country with an unstable economy run by the Mafia.