• interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    95·
    6 months ago

    I’ve been halfheartedly saying I’m going to start a religion based on ads being bad for one’s soul. It makes more sense every day.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      99·
      6 months ago

      I don’t need “grounds” for ad blocking, and neither do you. My property rights say that I’m entitled to modify the computation my system is doing as I see fit.

      • qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one
        45·
        6 months ago

        We shoud have a right to not have commercials shoved down our eye and ear holes. If they could, they would force it down our throats and noses too.

          • qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one
            13·
            6 months ago

            I swear I will just stick with paperback books for all entertainment if they continue to further infect my current forms of entertainment. Lets seem them try to insert an unskippable ad into a paperback book.

            • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgOPEnglish
              18·
              6 months ago

              “Please watch the ad on the included smart book accessory device to dispense the solvent that will un-glue the next 10 pages”

              Relevant Simpsons Joke:

                • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  6·
                  6 months ago

                  We already have ad books. They’re called magazines, just give it a couple more years and regular books will be filled with ads too. I’ve already encountered some regular books that have an insert talking about another book from the same creator. Sure it doesn’t seem bad now but soon it’ll be an insert about a friend of the creator, then about the same company that did this book, then in similar genres, then more inserts about products that might make your book reading experience better, etc etc.

            • ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip
              7·
              6 months ago

              I will stick to emulating 30 year old video game consoles and fan reimplementations like OpenMW and OpenRCT2. I am driven by pure spite. They will never get me!

              • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
                1·
                6 months ago

                Yeah. It’s wild to me that the idiots making these enshitification decisions don’t understand this.

                I could retreat into my existing installed Steam library for decades, to avoid their crap, if necessary.

                And my retro game catalog dwarfs my modern game catalog, since I’ve been collecting those games longer and some of them are devilishly hard to master.

                • harmsy@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  some of them are devilishly hard to master.

                  The Magmoor Bomb Jump energy tank in the original version of Metroid Prime wants to say hello.

                • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  It’s wild to me that the idiots making these enshitification decisions don’t understand this.

                  They understand perfectly. Enough people don’t share our attitude and so this kind of behaviour is still profitable for them!

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          6 months ago

          Property rights are those rights, and we already have them. The issue is that the copyright cartel is trying to take them away from us. They are colonizing our devices with DRM + the DMCA anti-circumvention clause in an attempt to reduce us to techno-serfdom.

          Ad-blocking, Free Software, Right to Repair (also a right we already have, not a new one we need), “you will own nothing and be happy” propaganda , etc. are all just different aspects of the same issue: the corporate war against property rights.

      • melpomenesclevage
        4·
        6 months ago

        I’m pretty sure the corporate property rights say you’re not allowed tho.

        so maybe laws are fucking stupid and you do it because if basic human dignity or something?

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          92·
          6 months ago

          To be clear, property rights don’t come from laws; they are natural rights. “Property” as a concept stems from the fact that when Caveman Oog gets himself a neat tool-shaped rock and is holding it in his hand, nobody else can use it because he’s the one who has it, and the only way they could use it is for him to not have it anymore. He controls it and its use is exclusive to him. The rock is his property. The law doesn’t create that concept; it only codifies it so that the rock can remain Oog’s when he sets it down, instead of him having to guard it all day.

          “Corporate” “property” “rights” are a whole different thing:

          1. Contrary to the Dred Scott-level bullshit the SCOTUS excreted in Citizens United, corporations are not people and don’t even have an inherent right to exist, let alone any other rights. A person (i.e. a sole proprietor) has rights. People associating with each other (i.e. a full-liability general partnership) have rights. A group granted the privileges of limited liability and taxation as a separate entity via incorporation exists at the pleasure of the State, and the State has every right to impose conditions on that existence in exchange for granting the privilege.

          2. Copyright is not “property.” A copyrighted work is an expression of an idea, and ideas are as near to opposite of property as it is possible to be. Not only does an idea stand in stark contrast to Oog’s rock in that it can be freely shared to the other cavemen without Oog losing possession of it, the value of it comes from the act of sharing. A creative work that never leaves the creator’s head is worthless, while a work shared with the whole world is incredibly valuable. (Don’t take my word for it, though: Thomas Jefferson – the guy who wrote or helped write the Copyright Clause, BTW – made a similar point, more eloquently explained.)

          3. Copyright isn’t a “right” either. It, like incorporation, is a privilege granted by the State (or more specifically, Congress, but Federalism is beside the point). It does not exist because the creator of a work is somehow entitled to it, or even because the People wish to reward creators for their work. Copyright exists for the sole and express purpose “to promote the progress of science and the useful arts” – in other words, to enrich the Public Domain. The mechanism of copyright, granting a temporary monopoly in order to encourage the creation of more works than would otherwise exist, is nothing more than a means to an end. The goal of copyright is for it to expire!

          Anyway, point is, I’m kinda already making that distinction between basic human dignity (natural rights) and artificial laws (copyright). The situation we find ourselves in today, where actual property rights of actual people are being subordinated to Intellectual Imaginary Property “rights” of imaginary “people” is some pants-on-head stupid, ass-backwards, Bizarro-world bullshit!

            • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              I mean, if this makes me a sovcit then it means Thomas Jefferson was one too, so at least I’m in good company.

              ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • marcos@lemmy.world
    403·
    6 months ago

    No way they can be the same.

    The adblock stops malware, makes my browser perform better, and stops things from disrupting me. The most common result of anti-virus the complete opposite of each of those 3.

    • fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
      101·
      6 months ago

      I cannot express how much I loathe antivirus software. Mostly it’s been because it has been nothing but trouble in my work environment, without ever catching anything, for over twenty years. It’s the modern corporate snake oil.

      • Zacryon@lemmy.wtf
        2·
        6 months ago

        Good for you. If your company is regularly the target of industrial espionage and your coworkers have a hard time detecting phishing mails, you’re happy to have a good AV suite as a further security measure.

        • fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          6 months ago

          Yes, I’m well aware security is a team sport. All it takes is one person to make a mistake, once. I still remember that the Iloveyou virus penetrated our network back when I was in university, through the Unix lecturer…

          Still fucking annoying though.

          Although I do realise most of my annoyance comes from shitty configuration and poor human decisions. Oh, let’s run a full deep scan at 15:00 everywhere Friday. It’s not like the students will need to use those machines during their Comp. Science lab, right?

    • shneancy@lemmy.world
      91·
      6 months ago

      simple, don’t use an antivirus, stick to windows defender (before the linux crowd comes in yes I know there are basically no viruses threatening you chill), your own brain, and also not an admin account!

      Don’t download shady shit, and if your PC asks you for some mysterious admin permission - the answer is “no”. If something does slip through windows defender will most likely handle it no problem!

      • lengau@midwest.social
        121·
        6 months ago

        Ugh Linux… I tried so hard to get viruses working in wine but in the end I gave up. Full compatibility my ass…

      • Zangoose@lemmy.one
        7·
        6 months ago

        Linux gets viruses too (see recent xz-utils vulnerability that almost got into production environments) and its kind of a shame that corporate antivirus software like Norton and McAfee end up ruining the reputation of antiviruses. In theory the idea of having a software that can scan for common viruses is a great way to increase security, even if it shouldn’t replace common sense. I’m not too sure if there are any good FOSS antiviruses, but if there aren’t there should be.

          • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            I used to have it on my Raspberry Pi to test some shady files. Besides of the Linux thing, they’d also need to get around the fact I was running things on AArch64, which is a rare combination. Maybe Windows on AArch64 would have been an even safer choice.

        • shneancy@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 months ago

          we’ll never be a 100% safe, no matter what OS we use. We can’t defend ourselves against backdoors and newly abused vulnerabilities in any meaningful way

          • Zangoose@lemmy.one
            1·
            6 months ago

            That’s partially my point. You can never be 100% safe, but there’s a lot you can do to increase your safety besides just relying on intuition (edit: because intuition is usually the weakest link, see social engineering/phishing tactics). Anti viruses (when they aren’t just bloatware) are part of that.

            Your second point about not meaningfully defending against backdoors and vulnerabilities is kind of against the point. You can totally defend against backdoors by not giving apps admin privileges, limiting network access, etc. so that damage can be limited even if an exploit happens. Then, if some backdoor or exploit is discovered, it’s only as dangerous as the permissions you give that app.

            • shneancy@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 months ago

              oh i meant backdoors and vulnerabilities in the OS itself, hah, i’m pretty sure the system has all the permissions

  • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮
    29·
    6 months ago

    A good Adblock is a digital equivalent of an armored car. You can go everywhere, comfortably. Visit the most terrible sites or places. All this time protected from the bullets of capitalism.

  • qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one
    231·
    6 months ago

    I swear I’m about done with YT. The ads are long, overabundant, irrelevant, and timed specifically to fuck with people in the middle of specific segments of content. I mean, I keep getting ads for Oppenheimer for the past four days. I already own Oppenheimer - and Google knows this. My Google account is linked to my MoviesAnywhere account, they have this information. What is the point of “targeted” advertisements if they net the advertiser zero value? Is Google just messing with users trying to block their ads at this point?

      • 30p87@feddit.de
        11·
        6 months ago

        Also, Firefox Nightly with uBlock on Android, and Piped as frontend for YouTube anyway.

    • red_rising@lemmy.world
      29·
      6 months ago

      Half the point of ads these days isn’t to advertise to you, it’s to piss you off enough to upgrade to a paid plan. If they happen to also make money from the adverts, then that’s just an added bonus.

      • qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one
        8·
        6 months ago

        I’ll never pay. I’ve spent so much money of failed Google products at this point they owe me YT premium for life. If they make bypassing ads impossible I’ll just stop watching.

        • red_rising@lemmy.world
          9·
          6 months ago

          I feel the same. I don’t do ads. If a product doesn’t have an ad-free product that I’m willing to pay for, then that product doesn’t exist for me. Similarly, if a paid product decides to introduce ads (I’m looking at you Amazon) I’m immediately cancelling.

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          If the baby skull is all-despising, doesn’t that mean it isn’t bigoted anymore and is thus paradoxically suboptimal?

      • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        3·
        6 months ago

        You’re not kidding. My girlfriend started talking about this until I straight up told her to stop. She already has ublock on pc she knows there’s a way, she’s just willing to pay to not have ads on her YouTube TV app because they’re frustrating.

          • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            3·
            6 months ago

            Eh I get what you mean even if it does sound sorta mean and I don’t entirely disagree. I would just call it ignorance, she wasn’t aware that you could get cracked apps for tvs or that just hooking up your pc to the TV is an easier alternative to all of that. Now she knows and she’s all about it.

            Were planning to move in together soonish and I told her I would handle all the techside of stuff and that she can just let me know what she wants and I’ll do it.

            • melpomenesclevage
              41·
              6 months ago

              yeah I’m usually the ‘I will make your machines stop using you’ friend. which is probably why I’m so bitter about people putting up with this shit.

            • 31337@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              6 months ago

              Smarttube works well on my android TV. Comes with adblock and sponsorblock enabled. I’d bet my TV is spying on me in some way, so yeah, PC and TV disconnected from the Internet would probably be better.

              • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                6 months ago

                She has a roku TV which I’ve read a bit about cracking but it sounds sorta annoying. Once we move in I’m planning to get a projector and hook it up to a mini pc with a wireless small mouse and keyboard. We mostly use it for movie nights anyways.

    • th3raid0r@tucson.social
      12·
      6 months ago

      I used to subscribe to YouTube premium as of just a few days ago. Even without the ads. There was something very seriously wrong with the suggestion algorithm.

      I was getting cartel violence videos, and dead animal videos. Never watched one before in my life. Yet. YouTube seems to think that I should want to watch this crock of shit. This started coming up about 6 months ago. Until now I’ve been reporting each video as they come up. But that doesn’t seem to help at all.

      At this point I think YouTube is a danger to society - if it’s recommending cartel violence videos to me unsolicited, what are they suggesting to my nieces?

      I have completely nuked it from my life. Almost all of the YouTubers I like are on Nebula or Floatplane so it doesn’t feel like I’m missing much.

      • Beefy-Tootz@lemmy.world
        51·
        6 months ago

        As dumb as this is probably going to sound, you’re most likely getting those recommendations because you reported them. YouTube sees that as an interaction and that’s what they’re chasing after. Same for giving videos a thumbs down.

        • BigDaddySlim@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          I used to have this exact issue with what was essentially porn on Instagram reels (Meta is evil yeah I know but it’s better than shorts and tiktok). I’d report those e-thots videos but it kept showing them because it considered it engagement. Eventually I got the algorithm to show me what I’m actually there for, memes, funny cat videos and the occasional car videos.

          Just scrolling past them quickly eventually got it to stop.

          • Beefy-Tootz@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            It’s a real shame that we can’t just tell those sites what we want to see, or not see for that matter. Instead were victims of AI/THE ALMIGHTY ALGORITHM. I think that’s part of the plan though, keep us on their site searching for content we actually want instead of finding it and being done. I’m dying for a YouTube replacement to come about. I’ll enjoy that until the inevitable enshittification comes about.

      • ripcord@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 months ago

        Clear your history on YouTube. Personally, I’ve had mine paused for a decade and just subscribe to stuff I like and that is fine.

        Definitely never seen anything like that.

        • th3raid0r@tucson.social
          2·
          6 months ago

          I normally would, but my wife has the same problem and she’s done that 3 times in the last 6 months. In fact, her problem became MUCH worse because the “clean slate” was far more impressionable. She’d search up beauty routines, only to find that Youtube thinks she now wants to see “popping” videos, even though she’s now searching for dinner recipes.

          So yeah, I saw her experience and decided “no thanks”.

          To be fair, MOST of YouTube I watched can be found on Nebula and Floatplane, both of which will likely not have this issue since it’s not a user-content platform. Not to mention, the creators likely make more from those platforms anyways.

          YouTube is basically unavoidable though, so now I just view everything through a piped instance if I absolutely need something that can only be found there.

    • theangryseal@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 months ago

      Some of the sponsored shit is crazy too.

      I was watching a video on a timeline of events with Puff Daddy and it hit this one part that went something like, “the young man said that Diddy wanted to play with his anus. Which reminds me of our sponsor, the law offices of so and so. Life is unpredictable and you or your loved ones could get molested too. If that happens you’ll need legal representation! Our sponsor will represent you…”.

      Holy shit my brain shorted on that one.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      1·
      6 months ago

      I am enjoying Freetube on desktop, and I just don’t watch videos on my phone.

  • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
    2210·
    6 months ago

    As a sysadmin I have so many devs asking me to set up antivirus exceptions for their apps, disable UAC, run the service as full admin, etc

    Hell no. Submit your shit to virus total and learn how to program.

    • bamboo
      20·
      6 months ago

      Antivirus programs are way too inaccurate to be used authoritatively, especially for developers. It’s not uncommon that some virus will use a well-known open source library or packaging tool, and then the antivirus decides that any binary with that same library or stub from that packaging tool must also be a virus. When your program depends on it, if you can’t turn the AV off or make an exception, you’re just fucked. Also, programming is an iterative process. Make a small change, test, repeat. Requiring that developers upload and wait for a scan from some third party for software that they compiled locally and have no intent to distribute is a giant waste of everybody’s time, especially the developer’s. It’s a huge drag on productivity for the sake of bureaucracy.

      • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        I’m quite sure the guy above is not talking about devtest environment, but production deployments…

    • r00ty@kbin.life
      10·
      6 months ago

      Nah, the heuristics shit picks up a shedload of nothing as dodgy sometimes. No-one submits work in progress stuff to be accepted with the antivirus providers to bypass that. Only final versions.

      Don’t have a problem where I work. Likely the choice of antivirus, or they’re whitelisting our development folders automatically.

    • tyler@programming.dev
      82·
      6 months ago

      You clearly don’t know how programming works. Or how idiotic most antivirus software is.

      • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
        72·
        6 months ago

        When apps have code obfuscation in use, injects into dlls, and has detection for when running in a vm when it has no business doing any of these things then yes I think I can complain to the devs about it.

    • mofongo
      6·
      6 months ago

      Windows defender is a Little jumpy though when it comes to self compiled software other than Visual Studio‘s

    • Limonene@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 months ago

      Why is the antivirus software detecting my Cortex-M3 binaries as dangerous to an amd64 computer? Happens on Windows 7 through Windows 10, across 3 different employers.

      And how do I submit my builds to Virus Total if they’re getting deleted as soon as they come out of the linker?

    • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgOPEnglish
      28·
      6 months ago

      They don’t, because it would be an insane proposition. The point of the meme is to say that asking to disable my ad blocker is like asking me to disable my antivirus.

      Ad companies don’t or very poorly vet their submissions, and it’s incredibly easy for malicious actors to slip hostile code in through ads. Ad blockers prevent that and are a first line of defense.

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
    21·
    6 months ago

    I often disable my adblocker on sites of smaller and more independent news companies, if they don’t run Google ads (I’ve heard them getting dropped in countries like Hungary and Russia for obvious reasons).