His ‘Sleepy Joe’ nickname for his rival seems to have come full circle, with social media users now calling Mr Trump ‘Sleepy Don’
While the rest of the world can’t peel their eyes away as Donald Trump’s historic criminal trial gets under way in New York, the former president himself appears to be far less enthralled by the proceedings.
Jury selection got under way on Monday in the first-ever criminal trial of a sitting or former president, as he faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a bid to cover up hush money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels.
But, according to some courtroom reporters, Mr Trump appeared to struggle to keep his eyes open – and at one point may have even fallen asleep.
“Trump appears to be sleeping. His head keeps dropping down and his mouth goes slack,” *New York Times *reporter Maggie Haberman reported.
The observation quickly inspired a new nickname for the 77-year-old former president: “Sleepy Don.”
So…
In 2024 we have one candidate who can’t stay awake during his criminal trial…
And one candidate who isn’t facing criminal charges because of his age and memory issues…
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666
Why do people keep acting like Biden and trump are in anyway capable of being president?
This could be the easiest election ever if Dems just ran someone who wasnt 20 years past retirement age.
Both sides are not the same. Fuck off with this opinion
No one said both were equally bad…
I said neither are good enough.
It’s pretty simple, but so is civility
How ridiculous is it that any time anyone points out Biden’s obvious ineptitude, the response is always “Both sides are not the same.” No shit they aren’t the same. The only people that ever bring up the “both sides are the same” thing are the morons claiming it’s not true.
Step 1: Read a comment Step 2: Respond to what the comment says or just do nothing.
There is no Step 1.5 that says you have to make up a bunch of bullshit to respond to. If you don’t have a response, then just say nothing. You don’t have to pretend like there is stuff there isn’t just to have something to say.
I think their point was that while both sides may not be great options (the original comment’s point), there is a huge difference in the level of how not-great they are, and leaving it at t"hey are both not great" is a disservice to those not immersed in the political landscape because this election could be VERY close and the consequences of not voting for Biden, despite all of his shortcomings, significantly impact the entire world, especially Americans.
Because we’re running a bad candidate against a worse…
Like, why are so many people mad at the ones pointing out Biden is a bad candidate instead of Biden for staying in the race as a bad candidate that might not even be able to beat trump?
There’s no logic to that
You can’t just shout down everyone that mentions Biden’s flaws.
But if the whole Dem voter base says Biden isn’t acceptable and we need a better candidate, there’s still 2 months to the Democratic convention.
Shit isn’t too late to do the one thing that would most help prevent trump from becoming president:
Run a candidate popular with voters.
In general, yes, run a candidate that is popular with voters. You can’t do that this year. No one who is unknown would have the time to get enough traction to beat Trump. No one who is well known is liked enough to motivate people to get to the polls.
I don’t think people are saying don’t criticize Biden or don’t criticize the system that resulted in Biden being president the first time and a candidate the second time. By all means, criticize away. He could be worse, sure, but he could be so much better.
What I think people are saying is that when you are comparing Biden and Trump, it’s important to point out that while both are not ideal, one is way worse. People who aren’t paying attention to the level they should will be less motivated to show up to the polls if they just think “everybody sucks.” Biden isn’t great, but Trump is a criminal scumbag who wants to let others strip us of our rights so that he can play king.
This was said during the last election. Now it’s… Biden again?
We have 6 months to go. In my opinion, the chances of having a different candidate who will beat Trump in that time is low. Six months ago or more, I would have said it was doable. Statistically, incumbents have a higher rate of reelection than new candidates. Who knows what’s going to happen.
Kind of sums it up. No one was put forward. The election was not a surprise.
This is absolutely the reasonable take. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Biden people are trying to pretend like they love they idea of someone taking a sloppy shit on their salad just because they don’t want napalm on their salad. You can order the diarrhea dressing without acting like it is a delicacy that should be praised for its brave choice of texture.
Absolute poppycock. There’s maybe a dozen different Dems and Dem-aligned Independents who have enough name recognition and are significantly more popular than Biden.
It’s the DNC leadership and their owner donors standing in the way because he serves their interests. Biden is NOT the least bad candidate possible by a long shot!
Hell, I bet even fucking BETO would stand a better chance of a comfortable win against the worst president in US history, that’s how awful a candidate Biden is!
If our election systems were better, yes, that would be more likely to be successful, and it would certainly be preferred (at least by me). Ranked choice or approval would be awesome!
In no election system is gambling the very democracy of a country on a bad candidate who refuses to own up to and correct his mistakes the smart play.
In fact, it’s EXTRA risky and stupid to insist on such a candidate in a binary system such as the US one.
If and when this becomes the last free presidential election, it won’t be because the people was given a choice and chose poorly. It will be because Biden and the rest of the DNC leadership chose poorly and refused to listen to the warnings and eminently reasonable concerns of the people, effectively disenfranchising everyone who’s neither a member of the fascist Trump cult or an automatically obedient DNC loyalist.
Yes. We can.
The DNC set the convention for two months from now, if that’s not enough time to run a general campaign, then why is the primary scheduled to keep going on?
Why are so many states not able to vote in the primary until “it’s too late”?
In many elections, that would be reasonable. The difference here is Trump. We have not had a president who so blatantly breaks the law with the level of support he has while his supporters either willfully ignore it or even support it.
So few thought he had a chance to be the Republican nominee in 2016, including Hillary’s campaign. Then, he stomped all of the other Republicans. Still, people he had no chance of winning the general election, and he won. While it is clear he hates learning of any kind (as evidenced by appointing Betsy DeVos, his inability to pay attention to briefings, etc.), his campaign has had opportunities to learn what works and what doesn’t. If the opposition is not unified on ONE candidate against Trump, Trump will win. The consequences of that are too dire, and this we gotta eat the white bread with Kraft singles sandwich. It’s better than the diarrhea sandwich people keep pointing to.
This is the third election in a row where it’s trump tho…
And if he loses, he’s likely running again. If he wins, 2028 is going to be someone else just as bad if not worse.
We can’t run a country “paycheck to paycheck”, we have to plan further ahead than “next election”.
Because we keep running unpopular candidates against him…
So let’s stop doing that? Biden barely beat trump by the skin of his teeth and Biden is substantiallynless popular than he was four years ago with his own voter base. And that cost over a Billion dollars to beat trump in 2020
There’s no logical reason not to run a candidate that voters actually like
Nearly everyone on both sides can’t get beyond the simple instruction of “I have to hate one with all my might, and I have to love one with all my might” anything more complex than this just melts their brains. Anyone who points out this obvious fact is seen as an absolute trader equally by both sides.
Nuance has taken a distant 2nd place to black-and-white thinking. It used to be that the blue team was less fanatic than the red team, they’ve become indistinguishable in this regard, and we are getting to the point where nearly everyone doesn’t even realise that it wasn’t always this way. It is just that the red team got converted to mindlessness a few years before the blue team did.
Can you point to a single example of this sentiment? I keep hearing this claim and have never seen or heard this argument from literally anyone advocating on Biden’s behalf. I don’t understand why you guys think we have this unbending loyalty to Biden like Trump voters do. There’s zero evidence of that.
I feel like it’s in nearly every thread on here when Trump or Biden gets mentioned. I guess it’s just easier to see when you’re not head-over-heels for one of them.
Other than this one that we are currently in, just off the top of my head:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9346681
I’m sure that if you keep an eye out for it, you’ll start to see it. That is, if you can quiet the voice in your head that keeps telling you how awful it is if you question Biden’s brilliance. Seriously, it’s not a religion, it’s OK if you doubt a little bit every now and then.
Again, no one is head over heels for Biden. I have not seen a single serious comment here that says you can’t or shouldn’t criticize Biden. When has someone told you that you can’t criticize him? You keep making this claim that Biden has some kind of cult following like we see with Trump but provide absolutely no evidence to back it up. Seems like you’re projecting or trying to Both Sides everything. That’s all.
You’re missing that the special counsel saying this was extremely editorialized, unprofessional, and dubious at best. This is the counsel’s opinion without facts to back it up.
Whereas Trump falling asleep actually happened without editorializing. NYT is just reporting facts.
FAKE NEWS /s But they are not wrong why is the states voting for these geriatric presidents? There is no one else fit for the role or nobody wants it?
Because both parties are owned by corporate interests and it’s not the voters who truly decide who gets on the ticket.
I think it may be like a peacock with extremely long feathers. It shows other countries that we are so strong that we can survive even with such a massive handicap.
Even the people that try to argue for the goodness of either candidate just say “at least our candidate sort made it through a speech a while ago”. It’s literally never “You’ve got to see this speech our candidate made. It was incredible! Truly a remarkable individual!”.
Set crybots to maximum whinge.
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One side who is facing criminal charges for the laws he broke, and one who didn’t break the law.
Yeah, it’s clear who the fuckup is in this race, and it’s not even close.
Shut up.
Not sure why you would believe anything Robert Hur says since it was proven that he lied in that report.
I’m just going to finish reading that source you linked, I’ll reply back as soon as I’m done.
It’s weird tho, I’m having trouble clicking on it. Almost like it’s not there, but surely someone wouldn’t just insist it was true when it would be easy to prove it.
I’m not going to waste my time since it’s clear you have no interest in anything that contradicts your biases. A simple search will give you what you need if you ever decide to wake the fuck up.
You’d have “wasted” less by not replying again champ.
Just wanted to help out
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Maybe because the magnitude of your idiocy shook them out of their normal lane?
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It could just be a coincidence your most recent comment was deleted…
But it was really funny when I saw that.
Have a nice life tho
I’ve made friends (as in IRL; we hike, shared classes, and go to conventions together) with multiple people who post their own lewds online for money and attention.
Reported as “stalking users/harrassment”, but I’m removing it because of misinformation. They do have other comments outside of porn communities.
p.s. Public comments are public comments. It’s not “stalking” to look at another users comment history.
The modlog is public as well.
You’re right, I missed a few comments they made in this sub like this one:
I didn’t mean to disparage such an upstanding member of this community.
Oh, not defending them at all, their comments get removed all the time and they got banned from Gone Wild. But at least be honest in your disparagement. ;)
Young people are too smart to vote republican, old people are too dumb to vote for someone for someone younger than them. What you’re left with is Biden. He’s not ideal, but at least he isn’t Russia’s little bitch.
So what’s your excuse for 08 Obama being young and portraying himself as progressive resulting in not only winning, but flipping some red states for the first and last time in decades?
C’mon! You’re not going to get a catchphrase like “yes we can” twice in one lifetime.
Man, you just reminded me how depressing it is both candidates in 2024 are ripping off Reagan’s campaign slogans from over 40 years ago…
Like, they were both middle aged adults at the time, so I’m sure they don’t realize how much it highlights their age issues.
But it’s just depressing republicans and Democrats both go to Ronald fucking Reagan when they think of what voters want.
This shit ain’t representation
The dems will field a left wing candidate when the republican alternative isn’t a nazi populist who has stated publicly that he wants to destabilise the entire world and become god emperor for life. Simply put there’s too much at stake to start taking risks.
That will never happen…
Because that will never happen, it means by your logice will always have a neoliberal as president.
Which is exactly why Clinton’s 2016 primary campaign was rooting for trump
Your path just keeps the country slowly moving right when Dems are in control, and sprinting right when Republicans are.
The end result is we keep going right .
Like, republicans aren’t just magically going to become sane, especially if Dems keep moving right to try and steal voters from Republicans. It just concentrates the crazy and makes more nonvoters.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s been happening for 30+ years. Even if you didn’t notice.
I’m not saying it’s sound logic. Just making an observation.
What?
The entire political system is engineered so that voters always think “it’s too risky to ask for a good candidate”…
And you’re “making an observation” that we should just keep going along with it in perpetuity?
I’ve voted for decades, always D, and I’ve only been enthusiastic once.
In 2008 for Obama before he let us down. And he got a landslide victory despite being essentially unknown nationally and flipped states that had been red for decades.
The only other time we saw results like that was FDR…
The people want progressive candidates. If the only thing that’s important is beating trump, then we need to run the candidate most likely to win.
History tells us that’s a popular progressive, and not an unpopular neoliberal.
Of course, the transcript of the interview that report is based off totally supports those allegations. Not politically motivated at all. No sir.
Sheesh.
Well. I linked sources so you don’t have to take my word, you started your opinion in a condescending tone…
Do you understand the difference?
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A decade ago no one would have believed your comment was written by someone who planned to vote Democrat.
Not only is the
Offensive, the fact your immediate go to would be something making fun of the mentally impaired just says it all.
That shit isn’t acceptable no matter how big the tent gets.
What? The guy’s name is Robert Hur! That’s his name! Lol (although I’d agree he is mentally impaired)
I deleted my comment because it unfairly attacked you assuming you were a conservative, but after reading your post history, I realized you are not conservative. You just dislike Biden, which is fair in my opinion. We really should have run a progressive instead of a geriatric neoliberal.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Love how much mob mentality has been on the rise since trumps election lmao. Who would’ve thought.
Pretty clear to everyone who the lesser of two evils is
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No one said it wasn’t chief…
I said both candidates are bad. Not that they’re both equally bad.
If the most important thing is beating trump (and it is) why are we running a bad candidate against him instead of a good one?
He’s not a bad candidate. Could we do better? Always. Is that an option this year? No.
Stop trying to muddy the water to dissuade people from voting at all
People are celebrating because he just got up to 43% approval…
His best numbers are Obama’s worst.
Biden is less popular with voters than he was four years ago, and it cost a billion dollars to beat Trump by the skin of his teeth.
How is Biden a good candidate?
And keep in mind “not trump” is a pretty common quality shared by almost everyone eligible to run for president.
I agree. The democratic party could nominate ANY candidate who has character, energy, and intelligence - and younger (to better represent Americans), and they’d likely win in a landslide.
[Citation Needed]
Generally, when people make predictions about hypothetical futures, there is nothing to cite. Citations are more of a thing when talking about stuff in the past.
Not necessarily, you can post citations for what underlying lines of evidence support that the prediction will be accurate. That’s what you do when trying to prove a hypothesis scientifically.
Now if a prediction = pulling stuff out of your ass you wish was true, that’s more likely that there’s no underlying evidence.
I’m sure the commentor they were responding to would have totally accepted past examples of charismatic presidents who got votes as valid citations. Lol.
That would be a great comparison if it were even tenuously related to today’s media environment, Trump’s charisma to his base, and hyper-polarization.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/special-counsel-robert-hur-testify-house-biden-documents-report/
I always forget whether my mother died in 2003 or 2004. It was right before her birthday, so she died at an age that feels like it should be 2003, but it’s not. I’m 32. Am I too senile to run for president before I even qualify?
I don’t think anybody thinks Biden isn’t completely deteriorated, nobody ever has anything specific positive to say about him. There are just a bunch of people that hate Trump enough that they think it is their duty to pretend like a slime mold is a vague political Einstein.
How dare you think that it is possible for there to be more than one shitty option for president. The world is entirely black and white, and no colors could possibly repeat.
No one is saying that. They’re doing the opposite of that, actually. If they were saying black or white, they would both be 10 or 0. Instead, they’re saying that on a scale of 1-10, Biden is a 2, at best, but Trump is a -50.
There are no great options, but one option is significantly worse than the other.
I agree Biden is a 2, but the scale is 1-10, and Trump is a 1. This ridiculous, over-the-top, non-sensical hyperbole of putting the other candidate at -50 on a scale with a minimum of a 1 is the problem. You can dislike someone without saying that they are 52 points behind on a 10 point scale. This does nothing but encourage the people who want both sides to look/feel like absurdly moronic sheep who can’t do anything but follow the rest of the herd.
Don’t let them win by sacrificing your own self-image and dignity. If you keep pretending to be that stupid just to “show your team loyality”, then you will actually start to see yourself as being as stupid as you’re pretending to be.
The difference is that great. Trump is a criminal, and not ashamed of it. He will sell all of our rights and all of the things that make America a great place (I’m not saying it couldn’t be better, but there are many great things about the US.).
Yes, he is a criminal, and he is not ashamed of it, you’re right. Most politicians are criminals, he just cares less to hide it. It would almost certainly be better if a more embarrassed criminal is in office, I agree.
If a Trump presidency means all of our rights being sold, then I guess we have nothing to worry about because we must not have any rights left for him to sell(he was literally already the president). I know this seems like a simple rebuttal, that’s because it is. This is the problem when you get used to always having people agree with anything that is pro-Biden, it completely deteriorates your ability to debate on the issue.
If you only ever play with cheat codes, when you then encounter someone with any ability to push back you just have curl up in a ball and wait for the anonymous upvotes to stroke your ego and convince you that you must be right because you said “Yay! Biden!”. This is the part where you would typically ignorantly call me a “Trump Fucker”, then I say “No, I don’t like Trump either”, then you just get more angry because it makes no sense to you that maybe I dislike both of the mental patients.
Yes, he was president, and he was selling our rights away. The predictions from his own staff the first time are that he will be even worse this time.
First run he had somewhat capable people around him to stop or slow him down. The second run is where he will apply lessons learned. It is not imaginary nor fantasy to perceive or see this.
Jesus… I mean, come on man. One moment you want some form of discussion and next you know you vent like a madman. In short, this text reflects on you, not on the party you intended to childishly insult.
And for the record, I also object to this ‘both sides’ nonsense. Is Biden perfect? Of course not. But he will and has tried to do the right things. Again, not always and I have issues with him but what politician is going to do all the things I like?
But to place trump next to Biden is a colossal feat of mental gymnastics that I am sure you do not truly believe. That guy is out for one and one only, himself. That’s it. And he will use every opportunity and lever to achieve this. There is a difference and it is quite large as well.
Well, it’s refreshing to see someone admit they are both shit(I know, I know, clearly one is more shit). It’s just a shame it takes so much pushing to get people to admit the obvious. Imagine if people could start out in conversations willing to admit this.
You’re right, it is a bit maddening that people are so scared to speak their minds. I’m glad you were able to speak your mind, prepare for downvotes.
Just so you know, it wasn’t so long ago that Biden was chanting his “marriage is between a man and a woman” bullshit, maybe he truly had a change of opinion, or maybe, just maybe, he is like all the other politicians that just try to read the room and pretend to be passionate about what will get votes.