- cross-posted to:
- israelpalestine@jlai.lu
- cross-posted to:
- israelpalestine@jlai.lu
Biden administration dramatically softens the sanctions it imposed on the seven Israelis from the Israel Defense Forces and makes it clear that they will be able to use their bank accounts.
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Guess who’s taking about Trump here? NOBODY.
You have absolutely no idea how weak this line of argument makes Biden look. Oh you’d be better than literally the worst person to have ever been president? Wow omg I can’t wait to vote for you. Talk about a low fucking bar.
What your other choice, there, genius.
Is this post about the election? Or the fucking CURRENT PRESIDENT’S decisions?
Edit: the other choice, which should worry everybody, is not voting. Doesn’t matter if it’s illogical, lots of voters are illogical
Isn’t there a possibility to vote for a third / minor party?
If yes, this would be the best choice instead of not voting.
Yeah of course that is possible. With the US system though it seems like there is literally no point. If you don’t want trump you should vote for Biden, that is the only choice.
But the fact that this is brought up every time Biden does something shit or supports a genocide or whatever is what I take issue with. The election has made people too wary to criticise him and they are apparently blind to how stupid this looks. Like they learned nothing whatsoever from 2016.
Anyway I’m not American anyway so don’t worry about it. The situation is the same in the UK except Labour is comfortably going to win anyway despite having a dog shit candidate. Biden I’m not so sure, and that worries me.
The third (minor) parties are just spoiler candidates put in place or at least supported by the two major parties.
That’s odd, because if you bothered to look any further down you actually would see comments talking about Trump, and there were more before.
But that aside, you’ll find that’s because I’m not advocating for Biden - any more progressive candidate would’ve been better, but that’s not what we got. What I AM advocating is against Trump - I hardly think I need to explain why.
Since it’s basically impossible for an independent to win, if you don’t want Trump, your only option is Biden. That’s it, whether we like it or not.
I agree.
But this post is about a thing Biden has done. Surely you can see how so many people jumping right to this “lesser of two evils” argument in response to something like this might look like an attempt to shield him from criticism?
Honestly what could Biden actually do that would change the choice on election day? Unless he transforms into literally Hitler it is kind of a given that any reasonable person needs to vote for him, surely?
As I said before, I was focusing on all the replies that were around when I first commented that were commenting on/advocating for Trump - that is why I said “I’m surprised how many people think Trump of all people is going to somehow handle to both Ukraine and Israel better than Biden”, because that is the sentiment I saw.
I can see how that would look like an attempt to shield him from criticism, but at the same time I don’t think I’m wrong in saying it doesn’t really matter - unless you want Trump in the Whitehouse again, Biden is the only choice…
I’m not saying I like the fact that the only two candidates we have are basically “allow the genocide to continue for the foreseeable future” or “escalate the genocide, and let Russias do what they want to Ukraine”, but that is what we’re stuck with.
Blue MAGA is so ridiculous. Who was the first president to ever approve arm sales to Ukraine? That’s right, Trump. The Obama/Biden administration said it was too provocative to sell arms to Ukraine and would escalate tensions with Russia. And then Trump took office and broke the taboo because he didn’t care if Russia found it threatening. Good luck fitting that into your “Trump is so clearly Russian asset” box.
You’re worried about Trump cutting aid to Ukraine? Guess what, it’s already been getting cut. That’s the direction this is headed. Because the president doesn’t decide these things unilaterally - it comes from the DOD. You think the DOD is just gonna watch presidents do whatever they want around the world and just “oh well guess we die now”? No. You think Biden personally developed the strategy for how Israel advances US interests in the region? No. These things operate on the scale of decades, not 4 years at time. The presidents just choose between the options the JCOS provide them.
And as for the genocide of Palestinians, it’s going to happen no matter what, this has been demonstrated clearly. Choosing presidents will not change the outcome. We need to end the existing power structure, not participate in it.
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Oh look, a completely fallacious and divisive comment
Damn, you must’ve dug deep for that scathing nickname - but do you seriously think I’m wrong?
It doesn’t matter what could have happened, who could have done what, the situation is that your choices are Biden or Trump, and one of those is a whole lot worse than the other, despite what some other people commenting on this post think.
Trump has literally done nothing as remotely as evil as Biden’s relentless support of Israel’s genocide. Would it be worse under Trump? Potentially, but Trump isn’t president right now
The word you’re looking for there is “yet”, and that “yet” would be doing a whole lot of heavy lifting.
I’ll defer back to my initial comment - if you want to let Trump in and find out, you’d better be ready to shut it when he does worse.
You cannot beat anyone over the head with a moral cudgel when you are supporting genocide. Period. Frankly, supporting Biden – perhaps the most ardent Zionist in American politics – is so morally despicable that it makes me feel physically ill. If you the status quo is acceptable to you, then by all means continue giving it your approval.
Don’t you fucking dare, however, suggest that people refusing to hand their vote to that evil cretin are somehow the ones OK with what’s going on in Palestine.
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Spoiler: they think the horsey is worth it