Hey all, I just purchased a Moonlander and after using it for a day, I unplugged it and packed it back up because I noticed my muscle memory on my laptop was already deteriorating!

I want to be an ergomech user, but I also need to frequently use my laptop by itself with a standard keyboard. Is it possible to keep my muscle memory for both? Have any of you had success switching back and forth between a split ergo and a standard keyboard?

Any advice or reassurance is appreciated. This was a massive purchase for me and this issue has me very disheartened at the moment.

  • yanma@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Just a short term thing. You asked your fingers to think twice before typing. They are giving you opportunity to rewire muscle memory. Once you are done learning they will go back to normal.

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    1 year ago

    Yeah, I use my Mac’s keyboard often enough without issue. Just takes some time as you are developing that new ergo memory.

  • dan
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    1 year ago

    If you stick with it you’ll make steady consistent progress. One thing that really helped me was tracking my progress with monkeytype.com - it might not feel like you’re getting better but seeing how closely correlated practice and improvement are really kept me motivated to stick with it.

    I haven’t lost the ability to type as I previously did, though I do find myself resenting being forced to use laptop keyboards. I can do like 60wpm hunt and peck on a row staggered keyboard, and a bit more touch typing on an ortho/ergo/split, but I can’t touch type on a row staggered kb and I can’t hunt and peck on an ortho/ergo/split, haha

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      1 year ago

      I take it from this that you were not able to touch type on a standard keyboard prior to getting the ergo? I can touch type on a staggered board and am worried about losing that ability.

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        1 year ago

        No I didn’t, but I was surprised I haven’t lost the ability to type as I used to on a row staggered keyboard. It might be different adjusting to touchtyping though since they’re basically the same skill just you have to compensate for row stagger… My suggestion would be to not go too long without doing one of the two, that way you can keep your skills honed…

  • thatguy@lemmy.itsallbadsyntax.com
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    I can consistently switch between Ortho and my laptop, hitting nearly 70WPM on both. I would say it took about a month before something clicked in my brain and I stopped trying to use my thumbs for mods on my laptop and miss hitting the key locations. Just give it more time. Your muscles can remember a ton of different things, brain just needs to figure out how to organize it.

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    1 year ago

    While I still needed to think about the split ortho layout I struggled a bit going back and forth, but once I got fluent with split ortho I stopped having issues switching between them. It’s just a learning curve, you will very likely get past it.

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      1 year ago

      (at least for normal typing, I do constantly mess up hotkeys when I’m not on a QMK keyboard)

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    I work on standard 104 key keyboards for my day job, but run an Iris Plus with custom keymap at home. I found that during the period that I was learning the Iris, my ability to type on a regular keyboard diminished slightly. I attribute this to the fact that for the first time in years I regularly had to think about what I was typing because I was learning a new layout. Once I pretty much had the layout memorized, I had no problem whatsoever switching back and forth.

    It might have also helped that I wasn’t typing exclusively on the ergo, so it may benefit you to practice on a standard layout every so often if you are concerned about slowing down.

    • Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      1 year ago

      This makes me feel a lot more confident in learning the split ergo then. Is your Iris a QWERTY layout or something else?

  • Eochaid@lemmy.world
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    I use a QWERTY layout on my moonlander and I don’t have any problems switching between it and my laptop. As others have said, it can take me a minute or two for the muscle memory to come back, but then I’m fine afteer that.

    My only issue is that I purposefully removed CAPS LOCK from my moonlander and I keep accidentally hitting it instead of TAB on my laptop. But that’s a me issue and not a huge problem.

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    1 year ago

    No worries, I routinely swap between my 34 key weirdo keyboard and my laptop without any trouble.

    One thing that you might find helpful is to get some really unique keycaps on the ergo board so it feels different. I had MT3 keycaps on my ergo board while I was learning it, although that being said, now I’ve switched to choc switches with essentially laptop keycaps, and I can still type on my laptop just fine.

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      1 year ago

      This has been my experience as well. I made no effort to practice with my laptop keyboard, just occasional usage, and it’s been easy to switch between.

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    I‘m typing with 50WPM on a Moonlander with Colemak-DH Layout and still can type on a QWERTY MacBook keyboard with my usual 70-80WPM

    During the initial leaning phase, switching is hard. From my experience it’ll be easier once you are able to type subconsciously on the Moonlander as well.

    Speaking from personal experience here, your mileage may vary.

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      I have found keeping qwerty to normal staggered boards and colemak to Ortho/columnar staggered has kept my muscle memory for qwerty pretty intact. 2 different muscle memories for 2 different tools

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        1 year ago

        I recommend this method as well. I use a Hands Down variant on my ergo doc ez, while leaving my laptop keyboard standard QWERTY. Makes keeping them separate much easier. I initially tried to keep a QWERTY layer on the ergodox but found myself stumbling with zxcv keys a lot as the columnar positions are very different. Keeping the layouts different solved that entirely.

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    I haven’t personally tried, but I have heard a lot of people say that switching between isn’t too bad. It can take a minute or two for the memories to come back though.

    I’ve also heard that using different keymap layouts (ie, QWERTY vs COLEMARK) on different physical layouts. QWERTY for typical rowstag, COLEMARK for ergo.

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      I’d strongly recommend against different layouts for different keyboards. I tried to do this with QWERTY on my work laptop and Colemak-dh for my ergo and it just makes you worse at typing on both. I guess if you’re around 40 wpm it wouldn’t matter but there’s no way you can retain 100 wpm muscle memory on two layouts