I have tried several times to find a convincing answer as to why systemd bad hur dur, but I could never find one that says precisely why. I’d love it if someone could ELI5 it for me.
This is easily the most comprehensive and informative reply to the issue with systemd I’ve seen so far. Thank you for the response, I can see why their increasing dominance is alarming.
I’m certainly not at liberty to pass judgment on whether it deserves its current reputation, since I barely know enough to make it work to my needs. But I would be most interested to see how things play out.
Imagine if SystemD incorporates some form of DRM to ensure “compatibility” and “authenticity”, like how Google is trying to control the Web and Android (if you have followed the recent news). And SystemD is based out of RedHat, which should be plenty alarming already
Thank you, that was an excellent reply. I vaguely knew there were arguments over systems, but had no idea of the details.
What you say about their overly large power, though: if they make a bad choice, and enough people agree it’s a bad choice, can’t a new project just fork systemd and take it in a good direction?
It’s systemd or bust because it’s so much better than any other init system.
Also, your post glosses over the biggest issues people have with systemd. The lead developer was a complete fucking asshole and rubbed people the wrong way. Imo, that’s where most of the hate stems. The guy was a tool and the initial backlash spiraled from there.
But I guess being a jerk and being a sea-changing dev go hand-in-hand. Eg stallman, Torvalds, etc
Also, my favorite thing about the gnu diehards complaining that systemd does too much and doesn’t follow the unix principals… Emacs enters the chat. It also enters the email, text editor, ide, etc.
Ah sorry, unix not linux. I didnt think of that before, it seems so obvious that linux kernel isnt doing one thing well, it does everything ever, kind of well.
I have tried several times to find a convincing answer as to why systemd bad hur dur, but I could never find one that says precisely why. I’d love it if someone could ELI5 it for me.
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This is easily the most comprehensive and informative reply to the issue with systemd I’ve seen so far. Thank you for the response, I can see why their increasing dominance is alarming.
I’m certainly not at liberty to pass judgment on whether it deserves its current reputation, since I barely know enough to make it work to my needs. But I would be most interested to see how things play out.
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Imagine if SystemD incorporates some form of DRM to ensure “compatibility” and “authenticity”, like how Google is trying to control the Web and Android (if you have followed the recent news). And SystemD is based out of RedHat, which should be plenty alarming already
Thank you, that was an excellent reply. I vaguely knew there were arguments over systems, but had no idea of the details.
What you say about their overly large power, though: if they make a bad choice, and enough people agree it’s a bad choice, can’t a new project just fork systemd and take it in a good direction?
It’s systemd or bust because it’s so much better than any other init system.
Also, your post glosses over the biggest issues people have with systemd. The lead developer was a complete fucking asshole and rubbed people the wrong way. Imo, that’s where most of the hate stems. The guy was a tool and the initial backlash spiraled from there.
But I guess being a jerk and being a sea-changing dev go hand-in-hand. Eg stallman, Torvalds, etc
Also, my favorite thing about the gnu diehards complaining that systemd does too much and doesn’t follow the unix principals… Emacs enters the chat. It also enters the email, text editor, ide, etc.
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What ive heard is the “linux philosophy” argument. Its just doing too many things.
this comment shows how the word of mouth actually distorted the argument
its not the linux philosophy but one sentence of the unix philosophy (linux is not unix)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
besides being over 40 years old at this point
fun fact the linux kernel would actually not really fit this since it is an monolithic kernel
Ah sorry, unix not linux. I didnt think of that before, it seems so obvious that linux kernel isnt doing one thing well, it does everything ever, kind of well.
because it’s not 90’s shell script thus it’s bloat. What is your difficulty with understanding it? /s
I had that attitude for a while but as I got used to it yeah, it’s easily superior. I wouldn’t go back.