Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.

  • I_like_turtles3@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Green hydrogen is made by electrolysis of water using wind and solar energy.

    YES! So why not use that electrical energy you use for electrolysis, to power the car? Electrolysis has losses, then another set of losses when converting back to electric at car motor. I cannot believe this bullshit, how the hell can you lie with no shame? There’s no way you can avoid these losses, this is basic level of understanding you do not need a EE degree for it. You cannot avoid losses, and they are forever ingrained in the nature of our reality. The only thing you can do is continue to try and misrepresent the situation, and lying. You are literally hand waving the losses, it’s surreal.

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      9 months ago

      Because, again, you need to store that energy in banks of giant batteries. Something that is very expensive. And again, if you realize that FCEVs are basically doing to same thing, just using water instead of giant batteries, it is going to much cheaper while not actually reducing efficiency that much.

      In the long-run, there won’t be hardly ANY difference in efficiency, because again, both are electrochemical systems that work the same way. This is the basic fact that you are failing to grasp.

      Finally, hydrogen is pretty unavoidable for a green society anyways. You need it for long-duration energy storage anyways, and so will industry and heavy transportation. Meaning that even an all-BEV society will still need vast amounts of green hydrogen if it really wants to break dependency on fossil fuels.

      If anything, you are handwaving the problems of BEVs. Hydrogen is the solution to that ironically.

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        9 months ago

        Stop lying and shilling something you don’t even understand so others get more money and destroy the planet. Stop contributing to this shit cause dude, you are literally willing to make everything worse just so you get paid. There’s no way a reasonable human which understands what is happening is siding with hydrogen. Also you’re simply hand waving away serious issues about the whole thing

        don’t worry about it

        it will be fine relax

        Nah, that’s not how this works dude.

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          Again, you are the one brainwashed by corporate propaganda, mainly from Tesla. An FCEV is an EV. That is undeniable fact. As a result, it is equally as valid of a solution as BEVs are. The rest of your posts are you being totally confused by this fact.