I see a lot of posts about how they uploaded anti-spez stuff onto reddit, or participated in the nsfw spams/john oliver spams. While I get wanting to let it all out, this ultimately keeps up engagement on reddit rather than bringing it down.
The best way to make sure things go your way? Vote with your wallet, or in this case your voice. Don’t speak on reddit. Devote more time helping out the alternatives grow and flourish. And as much as it is a meme, touching some grass can help your mental fortitude.
If you absolutely 100% need to interact with reddit, I suggest installing a redirector addon (such as privacy redirect or… redirector) that can link to a teddit or libreddit instance. Or archiving it with wayback/archive.is/ghostarchive.
The only thing we ever need to do on reddit is encourage migration to further drive down traffic: Dm mods of your fave subs and ask about migration, something as simple as “Hey, I love this community but I no longer use reddit, will you guys be making a community on Kbin or other alternatives? Let me know please, thanks.” will work!! We need more voices encouraging migration!
This is a good idea. At the very least, it’ll put the idea in their brands a maybe bring them along. Worst case scenario, it might spur you to start a community…
Thank you for writing that. I took that exact wording and sent it to some mods. Probably because it was easy and convenient, with the words given to me.
I agree. I changed my bio to tell people about alternatives and put the Lemmy and Kbin homepages a my social. A pinned post on your Reddit profile will also be a good way of redirecting.
I’m treating the blackout and the aftermath as a worker strike, and treating any mods replacing removed mods as scabs. But more to the point, it’s a strike and I do not cross picket lines. I will not go even to the Reddit front page until the corporation reverses course, accedes to the demands of their unpaid labor and backs the fuck up.
At this point, even if Reddit decides to do a full 180, I’m not going back. The community here is smaller, but it’s better right now. There’s a strong sense of unity and I’ve yet to see anything toxic.
I’m also not planning on telling others about kbin/ Lemmy/ fediverse. I am really appreciating the current self selection bias.
Same. They’ve fucked users over one too many times. Even if they go back to free API usage, I’m still not going back.
It reminds me of what Reddit felt like in the early days, except it feels more diverse and inclusive. It’s kind of the perfect world of what I’d hoped Reddit could become.
It’s inherently superior to Reddit: it’s decentralized (federated), user friendly, light on resources, free and open source and has no shady obscure algorithms and bots tainting discourse.
Agreed, it reminds me of the discussion boards you used to get. I feel like there’s an actual community developing here
I also feel replacement mods are scabs, but I’ve been enjoying all the free time I’ve had lately not browsing reddit. I’m actually getting shit done. I’m ashamed of how much I used that site. I will not go back.
There’s a case to be made on either end. The best thing would be for people to move to better pastures with dignity, but the malicious compliance and worse create headaches and embarrassment for spez that may pay off in the press, or at some other date. Mods getting banned for making their accounts porn accounts certainly know they’re going out the door, but they’d prefer to be thrown out.
And ultimately, for the veteran redditors who are watching all this, they want to see the end with their own eyes.
I just popped in for the first time since around the 10th and while there are still posts honestly the upvotes on popular seem really low and the content I saw scrolling through 40 or so threads was really meh and none of my usual favorites popped up… I’m really hoping this is the beginning of the end
I don’t think the bots have much creativity
NSFW subreddits don’t appear on r/All or r/Popular. (NSFW posts can appear, but only from subs that aren’t flagged as NSFW themselves).
So the current protest method is somewhat counterproductive. People who never took the step of subscribing to these subs likely won’t see them at all.
Plus, people are still over estimating how much impact has been made. If everyone participating in the ‘protests’ instead deleted their accounts and moved on, Reddit would not be hurt all that much.
I don’t think they’d really be hurt at all. New mods would take over some large subs, but things will recover. They’d rather have a userbase of 10 people paying for Premium, clicking and converting on ads, and spending Gold, than a userbase of 1000 who don’t. This is just an ad campaign optimization. Cut out the non-targeted parts of the lookalike to improve conversion metrics.
Despite having subscribed to video game and pcgaming related subs pretty much all of them are just proceeding as normal, so yeah I think people are overestimating impact because I wasn’t subscribed to the major subs. And this is like tech related subs that you’d think would have been more wiling to push people to migrate, but majority of them didn’t.
Of the subs I subscribed to I think only privacyguides which is their instance that I’m on ever made an effort.
Stepping away is sort of my plan at the moment.
I’m the solo mod of an 11K subscriber sub who posted most of the content. I took the sub private for the first 48 hours of the protest, then polled everyone to see if they wanted to keep going.
Only a third were in favor. The other two-thirds were “No” or “I don’t understand and/or don’t care”.
I posted links to equivalent places in lemmy/kbin/discord to see if there would be any kind of migration to follow me here.
So far I have exactly one follower on lemmy, and 5 new members on discord (none of whom have interacted at all).
For now, I’m going to continue to monitor my reddit sub (to keep things in order) but will only be posting things in the fediverse. I just cant’, in good conscience, keep contributing to “my” sub in the current environment. It makes me sad, to be honest; I felt a certain amount of pride in what I (we) accomplished over there.
We’ll see what happens going forward.
I’m in a similar boat, except I barely used to post anything at all - ironically to avoid the toxic backlash that usually happened whenever I did, and mostly hid out in the comments - and barely anyone wants to leave. They could (not) care less. And I’m trying to see it from their POV: they just don’t know, and MUCH more importantly, don’t want to.
The house is burning down, and they’re pulling the blankets over their heads. There’s not much that can be done about it perhaps. Don’t Look Up.
The responses are all “it won’t affect anything anyway” (it already has), “nobody noticed the first blackout” (uh… not true), “this isn’t a protest sub, lets get back to it” (why would such a thing even exist in the first place? strikes happen wherever people happen to WORK, when they are NEEDED).
But now I’m finally starting to see the difference between people who mod - i.e. offer their hard work to others - vs. people who do not. It’s not as bad as I’m making it sound - it’s sheer human nature, and some people have more capacity than others, like if you are in med school then you probably don’t have time to mod a sub:-). But there is a difference, b/t forward-thinking people and people who wait for things to eventually trickle down to them. I wish I could help convey that thought to them, but… I already have, and now it’s up to them to choose to receive it, or not.
The protests do help show instability to the investors which will hurt the IPO long term.
Exactly this. I haven’t been back on since before the blackout.
Yep. Deleted my account(s) last weekend and that was it. Have not been back.
Same. Also blocked it on my dns server, so I wouldn’t be tempted to load it back.
On the 12th, I uninstalled rif, signed up at Beehaw, heard about Jerboa and installed that, and put the icon for that where the rif one used to be on my home screen. I haven’t been back to Reddit since.
I’ve been pressing the pressing the same spot on my phone for 13 years to access Reddit.
Just putting the kbin app there was all I needed to migrate.
I think it makes sense to pour oil in the fire while it lasts, and only leave as you propose, once nothing can be won anymore.
The downside of leaving early is that it skews the picture. The apathetic remain, and their voice to return to BAU becomes disproportionally louder. It’s also what the company counts on, that it ‘will pass’.
But I also spend like 99% of my time here, and only visit the old site for a few minutes every other day. In the end, everyone will do what feels right for them, but arguments can be made either way.
I only return to see what’s up in ModCoord. It’s a healthy dose of “this is why I left”. At least until RIF is dead, then I probably won’t be going back anymore. Certainly not trying to navigate their garbage excuse of a mobile UI.
I shuttered the two subs I was in charge of (moderate size so they’ve flown under the radar thus far) and simply haven’t been back.
Unfortunately, they’ll probably get reopened. But you’ll just have to let them move on without you. Either it’ll burn in a fire, or the new mods will carry it in a new direction. Either way, it’s no longer your project/baby.
Agreed. I nuked my account today and when asked why I was deleting it i mentioned /u/spez and obviously that won’t get back to him but i hope enough people do it to make others in the company realize he’s toxic and needs to go
he’ll get axed before the company goes public and they’ll put some nameless suit in the role instead. i rekon calling out the entire corporate section might have been better, but then again huffman was one of the three founders so i dunno
the only reasons i’m looking at my reddit window currently are to check modmail (one of my subs is currently restricted but i’m accepting requests for member status) or to check r/modcoord and r/Save3rdPartyApps and other protest subs. i made a promise to the subscribers there when i took control of it from being unmoderated, and i’ll keep that promise to them until the end of the month, but i’m also going to leave quite a bit to remember me by, namely i’m going to configure automod to at least attempt to get rid of most of the spam as well as make the sub effectively unable to be monetized. would rather fly under the radar until that’s in place tho
Have the mods also been communicating on other channels like matrix or slack? With reddit being able to read all messages the idea of communicating with other mods over reddit seemed rather weird to me. Like a union discussing plans while corporate is sitting in with them.
As an outside observer it seemed like the biggest difficulties was that each mod team was doing their own thing. The mma mods who made https://kbin.social/m/mma said “Once the largest subs came back online there’s not really anything that smaller subs can do to hold the line anymore.”
not as far as i’m aware. i know about discord servers (that i’m not a member of) where discussions are happening, but as far as i’m aware the majority of planning is happening either in the protest-centric subreddits or in this magazine right here.
i gotta admit, there has been a lot of arrogance and a lack of consideration of consequences by lots of people involved in this on all sides
I’m tempted to post a nsfw pic with both my penis and breasts visible at the same time to r/mildlyinteresting or something. It’d be funny, like “oh hey this is what a penis looks like when your estrogen levels are above 200 how mildly interesting”. It would increase engagement, (engagement that reddit cannot monitize), but more importantly, it’d be funny
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Agreed. Using reddit’s greatest strength (user base size) against itself is the key to bringing it down.
Plus, overall reddit interaction has barely gone down. Daily visits went from 55 million to 52. That’s a drop in the bucket.
One thing I learned a long time ago is that internet people just don’t give a shit about doing what is right, only doing what is easy.
So yes, spreading news about Lemmy is more important than trying to take down reddit by not posting.
52 million from 55 million is actually a significant percentage. Yes it’s still a big number, but it’s pretty significant.
That is a over 5% drop, that is far larger than I expected, safe to assume that the 10% of users who add 90% of the content are in that number.This is far more dramatic than I imagined.
They will take it down themselves. They are pissing off the mods and the users that stayed. It will just get more corporate as time goes on and more and more of the content will become restricted to appease the shareholders.
The experience will just get shitter as time on. They’ll have to keep changing things to aim for yearly profits that they won’t hit and they’ll probably cycle through a few CEOs . Lots of addicts will stay on it glued to the feed of bullshit. They might try to “innovate” with some infinite scroll or some other bullshit but its well past its peak and its now on the slow decline
Yeah, I think each time reddit takes action against moderators, it gives people more reason to seek other alternatives
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I opened my teeny sub for John Oliver pics but I’m taking it private again…
With the demoddings I’m going to go on a full Reddit blackout. (Excepting for incidental hotlinks) Lemmy/Federation only now.
