Uhh, yeah, it’s legal to use for illumination and smoke screens, not to target people. Do you think Israel was using it for a smokescreen in one of the most densely populated places in the world?
Did you see the video? This strike landed on farms in Lebanon, not cities in Gaza.
Furthermore, it’s legal to target people, but not civilians and also not civilian objects or forests. It is legal to use it as a smoke screen, for signalling or for illumination regardless of where it is used.
War crime. Maybe go read the Geneva convention, dipshit.
I suppose bombing civilian farms in the wrong country is an example of that superhuman self-control, and not an indiscriminate attempt to murder and generally fuck with as many Muslims as possible.
I have. Feel free to point out the clause which states that using white phosphorous as a smoke screen is ever illegal. If you don’t think this use was as a smoke screen, then I would like to see evidence before you go around calling people “dipshit”.
the wrong country
Hezbollah has been fucking with Israel since October the 8th.
superhuman self-control, and not an indiscriminate attempt to murder and generally fuck with as many Muslims as possible.
You know, there are acts in between “superhuman self control” and “genocide”, which is the accusation you’re making here. If Israel actually wanted to murder “as many Muslims as possible” you would not be seeing tens of thousands dead. Israel could carpet bomb the Gaza Strip and kill all 2 million inhabitants. You would not be seeing a couple of smoke shells being shot into southern Lebanon; you’d be seeing Bint Jbeil and other southern towns flattened. No, the IDF is not exercising “superhuman self-control” (I never said that, so maybe consider why you mentioned it) but they are exercising some level of restraint.
Israel’s use of white phosphorous as a smoke screen is as plausible as their claim that every Palestinian man woman and child being killed is Hamas. When the Israeli military had to commit they wouldn’t use WP in populated areas to the Israeli High Court of Justice in 2013. The use of WP in this manner is widely considered a warcrime with the flimsiest of veils draped over it.
There’s a gaping chasm between superhuman control and genocide - but I’m seeing a lot of genocidal rhetoric, action and dead or displaced Palestinians, and no evidence of restraint beyond the bare minimum which will allow for continued US support.
So you’ve retreated from “War crime, dipshit” to “flimsily veiled warcrime, plus the IDF make aggressive statements”, and silence on the “wrong country”. That’s progress, given the context in which most people think any use of white phosphorous is a crime.
The thin veil is what they hastily tossed over the warcrime… after repeatedly lying about not doing it, and repeatedly promising not to do it… For definite not warcrimes reasons
Sure - I used a kitchen knife to stab up a school, but I’m allowed a kitchen knife, dummy - what’s the problem?
Terrible analogy. There is a mental component to the crime of murder, but without the mental component, the crime is manslaughter.
It’s more like the difference between “possession of a firearm” (legal, under some circumstances) and “possession of a firearm with intent to cause harm” (illegal, in the UK for example)
The mental component is there - the intent is to firebomb Palestinians, the implausibly thin veil is to preserve US support. The analogy is perfectly relevant.
Yeah unpopular opinion around fanatics here, but these are buildings not people. The plan of the war is eliminating future threats like the massacre that happened. If that means eliminating infrastructure, so be it. Hamas used buildings preciously designed for civilians in a war that makes them legitimate targets according to international right.
I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to god allah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.
To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
Like those hundreds of the hospital which oops was A) the Hamas themselves and B) only a handful victims as well. Don’t believe all shit that is fed to you ;)
Yes, my guy - I’m the propagandised one with the super well funded Hamas media, the poor underfunded Israeli media and propaganda outfits with the full support of the US never stood a chance - listen to yourself.
Are you talking about the hospital Israel bombed that had the “Hamas” tunnels that Israel built, or all the other hospitals, schools, apartments, etc. that Israel bombed to dust?
If there’s been an acceptable handful of Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel doesn’t have a pretext for anything they’re doing - the number of Israeli deaths is a rounding error compared to the number of Palestinian children (let alone broader casualties) the IDF had killed.
I don’t know why you need me to be Muslim, or what any of this has to do with the obvious propaganda you’ve been huffing that’s whipped you into a genocidal tantrum, but rather than get into that, I’ll ask instead:
In what way is Hamas a terrorist organisation that’s not more descriptive of Israel? It’s not the dead kids, and based on the utter nonsense you’re regurgitating, it’s not the propaganda.
Whew that’s a wild statement. I don’t think literally anybody on the planet believes that, and I think saying something like that would make even paid Israeli officials who deal professionally is spouting propoganda blush with shame.
I can only imagine what has gone wrong in your life that you’d be so uniformed about the situation in Gaza, and yet so compelled to shovel the most exaggerated propaganda on the Internet for strangers to downvote. I hope your a paid shill, I truly do. Because if not, then there is likely a lot of trauma behind that screen of yours and I sincerely hope you seek help. Arguing on the Internet isn’t going to fix the pain your dealing with, friend. Log off, take a deep look at yourself and your life, and maybe go find someone to talk to about it. Wishing you luck on your road to recovery from whatever got you to this sad point in your life.
I’m not going to be too concerned about a toddler trying to kick my teeth in, but Andre the giant is a different story. Both are bad, but not comparable.
Uhh, yeah, it’s legal to use for illumination and smoke screens, not to target people. Do you think Israel was using it for a smokescreen in one of the most densely populated places in the world?
Did you see the video? This strike landed on farms in Lebanon, not cities in Gaza.
Furthermore, it’s legal to target people, but not civilians and also not civilian objects or forests. It is legal to use it as a smoke screen, for signalling or for illumination regardless of where it is used.
War crime. Maybe go read the Geneva convention, dipshit.
I suppose bombing civilian farms in the wrong country is an example of that superhuman self-control, and not an indiscriminate attempt to murder and generally fuck with as many Muslims as possible.
I have. Feel free to point out the clause which states that using white phosphorous as a smoke screen is ever illegal. If you don’t think this use was as a smoke screen, then I would like to see evidence before you go around calling people “dipshit”.
Hezbollah has been fucking with Israel since October the 8th.
You know, there are acts in between “superhuman self control” and “genocide”, which is the accusation you’re making here. If Israel actually wanted to murder “as many Muslims as possible” you would not be seeing tens of thousands dead. Israel could carpet bomb the Gaza Strip and kill all 2 million inhabitants. You would not be seeing a couple of smoke shells being shot into southern Lebanon; you’d be seeing Bint Jbeil and other southern towns flattened. No, the IDF is not exercising “superhuman self-control” (I never said that, so maybe consider why you mentioned it) but they are exercising some level of restraint.
Israel’s use of white phosphorous as a smoke screen is as plausible as their claim that every Palestinian man woman and child being killed is Hamas. When the Israeli military had to commit they wouldn’t use WP in populated areas to the Israeli High Court of Justice in 2013. The use of WP in this manner is widely considered a warcrime with the flimsiest of veils draped over it.
There’s a gaping chasm between superhuman control and genocide - but I’m seeing a lot of genocidal rhetoric, action and dead or displaced Palestinians, and no evidence of restraint beyond the bare minimum which will allow for continued US support.
So you’ve retreated from “War crime, dipshit” to “flimsily veiled warcrime, plus the IDF make aggressive statements”, and silence on the “wrong country”. That’s progress, given the context in which most people think any use of white phosphorous is a crime.
No - it’s a warcrime, dipshit.
The thin veil is what they hastily tossed over the warcrime… after repeatedly lying about not doing it, and repeatedly promising not to do it… For definite not warcrimes reasons
Sure - I used a kitchen knife to stab up a school, but I’m allowed a kitchen knife, dummy - what’s the problem?
Terrible analogy. There is a mental component to the crime of murder, but without the mental component, the crime is manslaughter.
It’s more like the difference between “possession of a firearm” (legal, under some circumstances) and “possession of a firearm with intent to cause harm” (illegal, in the UK for example)
The mental component is there - the intent is to firebomb Palestinians, the implausibly thin veil is to preserve US support. The analogy is perfectly relevant.
Yes, so far the IDF is showing super human self control. Rarely see that in war.
Pictured: “super human self control”
Yeah unpopular opinion around fanatics here, but these are buildings not people. The plan of the war is eliminating future threats like the massacre that happened. If that means eliminating infrastructure, so be it. Hamas used buildings preciously designed for civilians in a war that makes them legitimate targets according to international right.
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I see your point. Still i‘d argue after evacuation notice everybody left is a legitimate target. Free yourself if you are oppressed or die. Sad reality i know and i would be angry as hell myself but what would i expect Israel to do? Let Hamas continue? My life would be the sacrifice i can’t Israel blame to make as i was the retard allowing Hamas to operate that way in the first place.
Since you seem willing to listen to reason I’ll try my best to explain this coherently for the sake of education and not just shitting on you for internet points.
Let’s look at the “evacuation notice” a bit closer. They gave a 24 hour notice to a state that had no power (or water) and no reliable way of instant communication. They claimed later they dropped leaflets. Let’s be charitable and assume every single resident got a leaflet within ten minutes of them making the order. The Northern Strip of Gaza was estimated to have 1.19 million residents of which all were expected to move to the Southern Strip, within 24 hours, or be marked an enemy combatant. No organization, no government assistance, just a notice and threat of death.
It wasn’t a real notice to spare civilians it was the absolute bare minimum they could do so that outside countries wouldn’t question them indiscriminately bombing the Northern Strip, which they’re doing. Hospitals, Schools, every target that would make our stomachs churn at the thought is being shoo’d away with “invisible Hamas tunnels” or “It’s a Hamas base, trust me bro”. I haven’t even found time to explain how about 40% of the Palestinian population are children. I need this to get through to you. They are massacring children in the hopes of getting one or two Hamas members.
I could sit here and write a book about why Israel is so well and truly fucked but please try to look into things when you find the time. They are monsters hoping to
godallah you buy their cosplay as a democratic country.His account is one day old. He’s probably just an alt of one of the known IDF shills on here.
Never know, could be a late Reddit refugee and just be getting into these kinds of discussions.
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To not have let it get to this point. Israel took a pressure cooker, filled it with nails and water, sealed it and put it on a stove. Every step they took to oppress Palestine, encircle them, blockade supplies, furthering tensions until Hamas had the most convincing recruitment speech any insurgency can. “Die fighting or die cowering.”
The IDF created Hamas directly through their actions and if you take a page from the United States, you don’t beat an insurgency with more bombs. We lost to ISIS not because we didn’t have the guns, troops, or munitions but because when you kill militant civilians you create more that want to take up arms. So it’s genocide or retreat.
Israel should willingly give up swaths of land it’s been taking by force so Palestinians can freely leave, trade, and exist without ‘permission’ from Israel. Give them hope and they might not throw their lives away for jihad.
would you accept that rationale if it was your home? of course you wouldn’t.
I literally mentioned that on the same comment.
Yeah - they’ve really managed to keep those Hamas casualties to a handful as they’ve slaughtered thousands of Palestinian kids.
Like those hundreds of the hospital which oops was A) the Hamas themselves and B) only a handful victims as well. Don’t believe all shit that is fed to you ;)
Where are those decapitated babies at? ;)
If Hamas manages GenAI may be they can actually provide convincing pictures, but your never see UN watchers confirming it obviously.
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It was Israel that was lying about the babies Hamas killed. Basing your argument on imagined whattaboutisms is an interesting strategy.
Yes, my guy - I’m the propagandised one with the super well funded Hamas media, the poor underfunded Israeli media and propaganda outfits with the full support of the US never stood a chance - listen to yourself.
Are you talking about the hospital Israel bombed that had the “Hamas” tunnels that Israel built, or all the other hospitals, schools, apartments, etc. that Israel bombed to dust?
If there’s been an acceptable handful of Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel doesn’t have a pretext for anything they’re doing - the number of Israeli deaths is a rounding error compared to the number of Palestinian children (let alone broader casualties) the IDF had killed.
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I don’t know why you need me to be Muslim, or what any of this has to do with the obvious propaganda you’ve been huffing that’s whipped you into a genocidal tantrum, but rather than get into that, I’ll ask instead:
In what way is Hamas a terrorist organisation that’s not more descriptive of Israel? It’s not the dead kids, and based on the utter nonsense you’re regurgitating, it’s not the propaganda.
Whew that’s a wild statement. I don’t think literally anybody on the planet believes that, and I think saying something like that would make even paid Israeli officials who deal professionally is spouting propoganda blush with shame.
I can only imagine what has gone wrong in your life that you’d be so uniformed about the situation in Gaza, and yet so compelled to shovel the most exaggerated propaganda on the Internet for strangers to downvote. I hope your a paid shill, I truly do. Because if not, then there is likely a lot of trauma behind that screen of yours and I sincerely hope you seek help. Arguing on the Internet isn’t going to fix the pain your dealing with, friend. Log off, take a deep look at yourself and your life, and maybe go find someone to talk to about it. Wishing you luck on your road to recovery from whatever got you to this sad point in your life.
A lot of words for mimimi i wanna be a Hamas supporter and be against Israel no matter what.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. They are both terroristic organizations now.
…Only one of them has the means to deliver on their genocidal intent.
That means absolutely nothing to me, just the fact that they’re both trying is enough
I’m not going to be too concerned about a toddler trying to kick my teeth in, but Andre the giant is a different story. Both are bad, but not comparable.
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