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“Our customers demand affordable EVs”
“Fuck them”
“But they are getting some from the chinese”
Like sure the Ioniq is a cool car, but it’s fucking $70,000 dollars. I just have a hard time believing they can strap wheels to a battery for less money than that.
Yeah they’re putting all their latest tech into these to boost the prices.
Take the most basic car you have and stick a battery in it and it will definitely sell.
So many people want one but aren’t looking for a luxury car.
Exactly. Give me the battery version of a civic or a fit. I don’t want an ultra high tech status symbol. I want a vehicle that refuels while I sleep
That’s the Ioniq 5 N, that’s the 650ish bhp hot hatch, the standard Ioniq 5 starts at $40k. Still not cheap, but not $70k.
Just did a search on inventory for my area, cheapest is $55k
US dealership model is aping prices.
No released Ioniq is 70k.
Apparently I was mixing up the Ioniq 5 with the Ioniq 5N, which has a starting price in the mid 60s and I think gets into the 70s depending on options.
The N is a track focused car, of course it’s expensive.
I am speaking of the regular ioniq 5 here (which is still expensive as fuck), but I also hate how they have to strap every little shitty tech like Tesla just to try to both one-up them in terms of “wow, look how cool this [completely useless garbage] is” and to turn something that already worked (like the mirrors turning into fucking cameras) and was fairly simple into something that is fucking expensive and harder to repair.
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No agenda, I’m very pro electric, I just think a lot of the MFGs could stand to make more affordable EV models.
And yeah I think dealerships are not acting in good faith because EVs are way less of a cash cow for their repair departments, among other reasons. I think it’s about time they let consumers buy direct.
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how about making hatchbacks? plug-in hybrid hatchbacks? like what the customers alway wanted (at least in europe)? toyota bring back the aygo please.
They are just about starting: the Chinese manufacturer MG has the relatively new MG4. There are rumours of a Tesla hatchback.
But I think there are two reasons this is slow: a) costs had to come down. Hatchbacks are typically practical, budget friendly cars, which doesn’t make sense if the car costs a huge amount to make and hence attracts a high price tag. b) battery technology had to support the category. Hatchbacks are short cars, and shorter your car is the less space there is to cram the base of it with batteries.
Youse don’t have Priusii, Corollas, or Ioniqs?
yes, but they’re sedans or limousines. i want something you americans call a “micro-car”
Nissan has Ariya if you want bigger or leaf if you want smaller. Ioniq 5 maybe. Toyota has the bZ4X
i am not buying an nissan. besides, the leaf is full electric. the ionic 5 is an SUV, same as the BZ4X. (both of these are electric too. and cost a damn fortune.)
Which of these behemoth legacy automakers have been “spurred to dash for cheaper EVs?” Most of the recent headlines have been about these automakers complaining that they aren’t selling enough EVs and are therefore going to reduce their investment in them, which is quite the opposite of what we’re hearing in this article. This article only seems to mention automakers pushing for cheaper supplier costs just like any other business would do.
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Nah domestic manufacturers just build shitty cars that people don’t want, dealerships are tacking on ADM which is driving sales away, and interest rates are the highest they’ve been in decades.
EV sales keep increasing by large amounts YoY which disproves “a lack of desire.”
“Dash”. Doubt.
Dash to their lobbyists to invent some national security excuse to ban them…
They’ll just expand the Chicken Tax to cover EV’s.
It is shitty that we have them under tariffs. The US needs more choice in the automotive sector… I mean FFS we almost had a chance at affordable EV with Ford working with CATL, but nope regulators want to just tank the company. Here I am waiting until 2026 for a goddamn EV that is affordable because the US legacy auto companies have about 2 models each. This is while there are over 150 EV companies building cars at every market segment and form factor.
Pretty short sighted take.
When we ceed the entire auto market to Chinese manufacturing, do you think our economy will thrive?
Do you believe they won’t use this power to influence our actions on the global stage?
Wait your 2 years and calm down.
The short-sighted take here is shutting down conversation through fear-mongering. You are not taking into consideration that American car mfg’s would compete on price and that Chinese EV’s would have to meet safety standards.
I would like to see the US develop affordable EV’s independently of China, but I remain doubtful thanks to corporate greed and rampant lobbying.
And your not taking into account the money the Chinese government is dumping into the industry to produce those low cost products.
The goal is to dominate the industry world wide, and you just want to allow that.
This isn’t ‘fear mongering’ this is realism.
Your last sentence is just hilarious. You believe we can’t do it because capitalism is bad, and so you want to cede the entire future of the industry to a forign power run by a dictator who would 100% use it as a weapon against us.
The world isn’t black or white, and in this case protectionism for local industry is the best of the many bad choices.
Frankly we should be dumping public money into the same industry, but we have a strong majority who are fighting it tooth & nail. If you want to be angry about the expensive EVs here, get upset about the lack of government subsidies compared to China.
well i’m seeing frankly terrible business decisions all around with legacy auto producing terrible EV, and complaining that they aren’t selling it is getting ridiculous that i am having to place more hope on startups than I am on domestic automotive manufacturers.
How the hell is letting them on the US market ceding the auto market to the Chinese that is a clown take… then I guess in the 60s we ceded control of the auto market to the Japanese, and in 1986 we ceded control of the auto market to the Koreans… enlighten me as to how that is going, has either country took over global automotive production?
This is why Americans don’t want China to succeed.
You mean elite Americans…the ones making money off of inflated prices, not the ones being drowned by student loan and medical debt. And, of course, the brainwashed masses who can’t make a decision without consulting Facebook or talk radio.
Yep.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
LONDON/DETROIT, Dec 8 (Reuters) - The rise of inexpensive Chinese electric vehicles has upped the pressure on legacy automakers who have turned to suppliers, from battery materials makers to chipmakers, to squeeze out costs and develop affordable EVs quicker than previously planned.
“Automakers are really now only turning to affordable vehicles, knowing they’ve got to or they will lose out to Chinese manufacturers,” said Andy Palmer, chairman of UK startup Brill Power, which has developed hardware and software to boost EV battery management system performance.
Palmer, formerly Aston Martin’s CEO, said Brill Power’s products could boost EV range by 60% and enable smaller batteries.
Stellantis (STLAM.MI) is building a European plant with China’s CATL (300750.SZ) to make cheaper LFP batteries and recently unveiled the Citroen electric e-C3 SUV, which starts at 23,300 euros ($24,540).
Vincent Pluvinage, CEO of Palo Alto, California-based OneD Battery Sciences, said that on his recent visits with European automaker customers, every meeting started with the same refrain: “‘Reducing costs is now more important than anything else.’”
Veekim CEO Peter Siegle said using cheaper ferrite and low-cost processes - including 3D-printed copper wiring - can cut an EV motor’s price by 20%.
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The horror 😔
I need a small electric truck. No frills. The current EV, and even non EV trucks are too damn big and have too many features for a work truck. The beds are too high to sling drywall and plywood on. They are building trucks for people with money that like the idea of a truck but don’t actually use trucks.
Where I’m living now in South East Asia I’m seeing so many little Chinese EVs, specifically the Wuling Air. Heck, I kinda want one myself but I don’t trust it to last since I never even heard of the company till a few years back. If a more established automaker made a good, cheap, tiny EV, I’d totally get one.
