The employees don’t get paid less if some jumps the turnstile, the fuel cost to carry a single person is completely trivial, and I didn’t say nobody should care about turnstile jumpers. I said its not stealing. If you damage the tracks and cause the train to derail you’re a monster, and there are financial costs, but you still didn’t steal the train. Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
And neither can you, or publisher lawyers, which is why it’s called piracy and not stealing in the first place.
The publishers lost the fight to call it theft or stealing, as to use those terms is slander and libel due to how inaccurate they are.
So even legally, you’re wrong to say it’s stealing or theft, especially when your only evidence is your own vague assumption that the creator lost money (they didn’t) using your own presumed and deluded “quantified” cost of the piracy (not theft, or lawyers would call it that)
So are you arguing that turnstile jumpers are harming the company, but they are not stealing the service / train / ride? Like the literal word “steal”.
Yes. That is in fact what I am arguing. I would also argue that the harm is tiny and can sometimes be justifiable, depending on the circumstances, but yes. It absolutely does do some non-zero harm, and yes there is no thing being stolen. That is the argument I am making.
The employees don’t get paid less if some jumps the turnstile, the fuel cost to carry a single person is completely trivial, and I didn’t say nobody should care about turnstile jumpers. I said its not stealing. If you damage the tracks and cause the train to derail you’re a monster, and there are financial costs, but you still didn’t steal the train. Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
“Trivial” is not “zero”.
Maybe, but it’s also closer to the price saved on less wear and tear on the turnstile than it is the price of the ticket.
And yet literally infinitely more than the “cost” of piracy, a point you refuse to acknowledge because it shows how stupid this false equivalence is.
Can you quantify the cost of piracy?
No
And neither can you, or publisher lawyers, which is why it’s called piracy and not stealing in the first place.
The publishers lost the fight to call it theft or stealing, as to use those terms is slander and libel due to how inaccurate they are.
So even legally, you’re wrong to say it’s stealing or theft, especially when your only evidence is your own vague assumption that the creator lost money (they didn’t) using your own presumed and deluded “quantified” cost of the piracy (not theft, or lawyers would call it that)
So are you arguing that turnstile jumpers are harming the company, but they are not stealing the service / train / ride? Like the literal word “steal”.
Yes. That is in fact what I am arguing. I would also argue that the harm is tiny and can sometimes be justifiable, depending on the circumstances, but yes. It absolutely does do some non-zero harm, and yes there is no thing being stolen. That is the argument I am making.
Yeah alright makes sense. Sometimes it hard to know what people are exactly arguing about.