Please dear God, do NOT take psilocybin containing mushrooms to treat your PTSD. Best case scenario, doesn’t make your PTSD worse, but nothing else goes wrong. That’s the BEST case scenario.
As much as I want to commend this legalization activist, this seems significantly more risky then doing it with something like marijuana.
Well I agree that “magic mushrooms” should be legal, this guy is taking a big risk as it’s not hard to imagine one of his customers having a bad trip that results in an accident, or bodily harm - to themselves, or someone else.
Unless he’s doing impromptu tests to gauge the experience of his customers, like asking them what’s the longest they’ve ever stared into wood grain… I can just see someone thinking it’s like legal weed, eating way too much, and having something go very wrong.
The opposite actually. There are large bodies of scientific evidence about the risks of psilocybin for treating PTSD.
LSD can be mildly effective, and MDMA can be an incredibly effective treatment.
My personal anecdotal experience is also… significant, but irrelevant, except to shoot down your comment about my feelings on drugs, specifically psychedelics.
No, you should reread the entire comment, instead of taking a portion out of context, but okay, I’ll play:
If an adult provides alcohol to an underage person, and they drive and kill someone, that adult can be criminally liable.
Hallucinogens as strong as psilocybin alter ones perception and motor functions in ways that are completely alien to anyone who doesn’t already have experience with them.
The risks I’m mainly talking about is the legal liability of the shop owner, as his protest is to make widely available these substances to people, many who likely have no frame of reference of what to expect and it’s not unreasonable to see how that could expose this guy to some serious legal risks.
FWIW I have lots of experience with a wide range of them, and am speaking from that experience, not second hand accounts. I thought my comment about staring into wood grains was a not very subtle nod at that, but I guess not.
Your comments come off as condescending and concern trolling. Did you RTFA? The shop owner says he has people sign waivers and agree to safe use.
I can promise you he’s not giving the things away to any kid that walks in the store. The only reason people are unfamiliar with the effects of psilocybin is because it’s illegal; They grow on literal waste. The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks when they went out foraging or on the hunt. We are better off encouraging cautious exploration than we are trying to scare people out of a potentially deep and meaningful experience.
Yes, I read the article where he makes them pinky promise and sign a permission slip. That doesn’t bolster your argument anymore then it will provide him a legal shield.
It’s not concern trolling, it’s voicing legitimate risks associated with uneducated and inexperienced people taking them based on my personal extensive experiences, as well as the scientific data around the efficacy of psilocybin as a treatment for PTSD - which was suggested at in the same article you implied I didn’t read.
I also said they should be legal, but again, that doesn’t really have any bearing on my assertions that this guy is exposing himself to a lot legal risks due to the nature of psilocybin’s effects, particularly on inexperienced users, nor that using psilocybin with, or to treat, PTSD, not just ineffective, but also a bad idea - unlike MDMA which actually has scientific evidence to support it’s efficacy as a PTSD treatment (paired with psychotherapy).
A liability waiver is not legally binding if the activity or substance provides is illegal.
“The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks, when they went out foraging”
Says who, Terrance McKenna? There is actually very little evidence of widespread Psilocybin consumption.
“Potentially deep and meaningful experience”
If people find meaning in hallucinations, then they can find meaning in reality. In fact the vast majority of evidence shows that psychedelics produce worthless creativity because it’s not constrained by logic.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Mushrooms are awesome. Loads of fun. They don’t treat any issues though (other than the issue of not being fucked up).
A research study came out showing that in controlled environments, they found that there were significant changes that could lead to the potential for treatment and I think everyone now thinks that a fist full of mushrooms will fix mental health issues. They won’t.
I think you’re probably being a bit dramatic about an “accident or bodily harm”, but it’s not out of the question. Mostly in danger of texting all of your ex’s.
But you’re right. Go to qualified professionals for help with PTSD. Not your weird uncle or the kid growing shrooms in his dorm room. Want to get high? That is the problem that mushrooms solve.
There have been studies that compare the efficacy of psilocybin, LSD, and MDMA as PTSD treatments.
Unsurprisingly to anyone who has experience with all three, they found that MDMA offered the most promising results and psilocybin the worst. This was obviously paired with psychotherapy.
Also, and I’m not trying to be rude, but if your experiences with mushrooms left you able to clearly read and type on a phone, I don’t think you’ve had the types of trips/levels of hallucinogenic intoxication from psilocybin that I’m mostly concerned about.
“clearly” is uhh… Ambitious. We’re on the same page here. I’ve just heard people use these studies as fact more than a few times and wasn’t sure why you were getting downvoted.
Please dear God, do NOT take psilocybin containing mushrooms to treat your PTSD. Best case scenario, doesn’t make your PTSD worse, but nothing else goes wrong. That’s the BEST case scenario.
As much as I want to commend this legalization activist, this seems significantly more risky then doing it with something like marijuana.
Well I agree that “magic mushrooms” should be legal, this guy is taking a big risk as it’s not hard to imagine one of his customers having a bad trip that results in an accident, or bodily harm - to themselves, or someone else.
Unless he’s doing impromptu tests to gauge the experience of his customers, like asking them what’s the longest they’ve ever stared into wood grain… I can just see someone thinking it’s like legal weed, eating way too much, and having something go very wrong.
You sound like someone that is just reading something off a D.A.R.E. website
The opposite actually. There are large bodies of scientific evidence about the risks of psilocybin for treating PTSD.
LSD can be mildly effective, and MDMA can be an incredibly effective treatment.
My personal anecdotal experience is also… significant, but irrelevant, except to shoot down your comment about my feelings on drugs, specifically psychedelics.
Oh, so like alcohol.
No, you should reread the entire comment, instead of taking a portion out of context, but okay, I’ll play:
If an adult provides alcohol to an underage person, and they drive and kill someone, that adult can be criminally liable.
Hallucinogens as strong as psilocybin alter ones perception and motor functions in ways that are completely alien to anyone who doesn’t already have experience with them.
The risks I’m mainly talking about is the legal liability of the shop owner, as his protest is to make widely available these substances to people, many who likely have no frame of reference of what to expect and it’s not unreasonable to see how that could expose this guy to some serious legal risks.
FWIW I have lots of experience with a wide range of them, and am speaking from that experience, not second hand accounts. I thought my comment about staring into wood grains was a not very subtle nod at that, but I guess not.
Your comments come off as condescending and concern trolling. Did you RTFA? The shop owner says he has people sign waivers and agree to safe use.
I can promise you he’s not giving the things away to any kid that walks in the store. The only reason people are unfamiliar with the effects of psilocybin is because it’s illegal; They grow on literal waste. The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks when they went out foraging or on the hunt. We are better off encouraging cautious exploration than we are trying to scare people out of a potentially deep and meaningful experience.
Yes, I read the article where he makes them pinky promise and sign a permission slip. That doesn’t bolster your argument anymore then it will provide him a legal shield.
It’s not concern trolling, it’s voicing legitimate risks associated with uneducated and inexperienced people taking them based on my personal extensive experiences, as well as the scientific data around the efficacy of psilocybin as a treatment for PTSD - which was suggested at in the same article you implied I didn’t read.
I also said they should be legal, but again, that doesn’t really have any bearing on my assertions that this guy is exposing himself to a lot legal risks due to the nature of psilocybin’s effects, particularly on inexperienced users, nor that using psilocybin with, or to treat, PTSD, not just ineffective, but also a bad idea - unlike MDMA which actually has scientific evidence to support it’s efficacy as a PTSD treatment (paired with psychotherapy).
“The shop owner says he has people sign waivers”
A liability waiver is not legally binding if the activity or substance provides is illegal.
“The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks, when they went out foraging”
Says who, Terrance McKenna? There is actually very little evidence of widespread Psilocybin consumption.
“Potentially deep and meaningful experience”
If people find meaning in hallucinations, then they can find meaning in reality. In fact the vast majority of evidence shows that psychedelics produce worthless creativity because it’s not constrained by logic.
Sounds to me like you could use a couple of grams
Edit: lol, it’s not even the same guy. Cops on lemmy already? God damn
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Mushrooms are awesome. Loads of fun. They don’t treat any issues though (other than the issue of not being fucked up).
A research study came out showing that in controlled environments, they found that there were significant changes that could lead to the potential for treatment and I think everyone now thinks that a fist full of mushrooms will fix mental health issues. They won’t.
I think you’re probably being a bit dramatic about an “accident or bodily harm”, but it’s not out of the question. Mostly in danger of texting all of your ex’s.
But you’re right. Go to qualified professionals for help with PTSD. Not your weird uncle or the kid growing shrooms in his dorm room. Want to get high? That is the problem that mushrooms solve.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/04/magic-mushrooms-could-help-ex-soldiers-to-overcome-trauma
There have been studies that compare the efficacy of psilocybin, LSD, and MDMA as PTSD treatments.
Unsurprisingly to anyone who has experience with all three, they found that MDMA offered the most promising results and psilocybin the worst. This was obviously paired with psychotherapy.
Also, and I’m not trying to be rude, but if your experiences with mushrooms left you able to clearly read and type on a phone, I don’t think you’ve had the types of trips/levels of hallucinogenic intoxication from psilocybin that I’m mostly concerned about.
“clearly” is uhh… Ambitious. We’re on the same page here. I’ve just heard people use these studies as fact more than a few times and wasn’t sure why you were getting downvoted.