Kyiv’s saboteurs strike deep in enemy territory, with Russian media reporting that authorities are investigating it as a terror attack.
  • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    62·
    11 months ago

    Ukraine thinks it’s America or some shit

    Israel thinks it’s America

    A lot of countries are currently on their “the US does it! We can too!” tour and I gotta say… seems like a poorly thought out path. To say the least. Relying on US power projection when the US is in an ever-deepening decline in that power which can be projected…

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        20·
        11 months ago

        That’s true, but Ukraine also relies on China for importing goods into the country. If you look on alibaba for military gear, you can find reviews from both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers on the same product lol. Obviously the amount pales in comparison to russian-China trade, but still. If Ukraine is as desperate as it says, then pissing off the country who is willing to do business with all sides seems like a bad idea.

      • ZapataCadabra [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        11·
        11 months ago

        It’s not that they’re attacking Russian logistics, it’s that they’re attacking Russia-China railways. China has maintained a mostly neutral position in the war. Giving the strongest economy in the world a reason to declare war on you isn’t a smart move. What makes it “American” is the idea you can attack anyone anywhere without consequences.

      • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        10·
        11 months ago

        It’s not the kind of attack. It’s the fact that they did it at all. Maybe they’re trying to draw attention back to Ukraine and cause a reaction from Russia that “justifies” further aid.

        • Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          11 months ago

          I’m not defending Ukraine, far from it, but Russia is importing military supplies from China, mostly across a relatively small number of rail lines. Interrupting that flow of goods is for them, a worthwhile endeavour even without any propaganda outcome, the same as disabling railways between Ukraine and Poland would be for Russia.

          • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            I don’t disagree. In a hypothetical long list of targets for Ukraine to strike, this is probably one of the “best” ones since it’s clearly a valid military target against a nation currently invading them (agree or disagree on justification, it’s an event that is happening).

            It just also feels like a possible escalation when (naively, apparently) I thought, or last I saw, Ukraine and Russia were starting on some sort of peace agreement. Admittedly, I haven’t read up much on Ukraine in a couple months. I hope they are still working on an agreement and this doesn’t ruin anything.

      • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
        5·
        11 months ago

        if Russia were having logistical issues that China was alleviating? Justice is probably equating it more to an impression of limitless projection of power, but even if Ukraine were able to consistently hit China-Russia trade, it wouldn’t mean jack to the bread-and-butter at the front

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    11 months ago

    Considering China is still trading consumer goods with Ukraine (used by both military and civilians), this seems like a good way to strip yourself of supplies even further. But knowing China they’ll just strongly condemn it and keep sending them stuff anyway lol

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      20·
      11 months ago

      When a Ukrainian missile hit Belarus and killed someone, the Belarusian government said it didn’t have any hard feelings because lethal accidents happen in war. But Ukraine threw a tantrum and said it absolutely did not shoot a missile into Belarus, even though it shot one into Poland just a few days earlier lol.

      Then when WaPo published a report saying that a Ukrainian missile hit a Ukrainian market a few weeks back, the government said it was disinformation even though the missile flew from the direction that has no Russian presence

    • Bloobish [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      11 months ago

      Think this is done as a way to show that Ukraine can still fight the current “evil” powers i.e. China and Russia (ngl tho Russia is shit especially for any minority or part of LGBTQ groups).