Saying its for the Moddershall while not having modding support is stupid. I know they’re adding it but you don’t get to use that excuse when plenty of games (Bethesda included) are still fun and fulfilling without mods. Baldur’s Gate 3 was released a month prior to this.
I knew from the start that the vastness of this game would be a bit of a turn off. I’d rather have a smaller map with lots of special areas and places to visit
With how hard redditors are pushing this, it makes me almost certain that it’s exaggerated, a result of the internet journalism telephone game, or completely made up.
Here’s one of their responses in response to someone saying that the empty planets were boring:
Greetings,
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review for Starfield!
We are sorry that you do not like landing on different planets and are finding many of them empty.
Some of Starfield’s planets are meant to be empty by design — but that’s not boring. “When the astronauts went to the moon, there was nothing there. They certainly weren’t bored." The intention of Starfield’s exploration is to evoke a feeling of smallness in players and make you feel overwhelmed. You can continue to explore and find worlds that do have resources you need or hidden outposts to look through.Im also pretty sure alot of this is just parroting streamers to jump on the hate train.
Not that uncommon.
I don’t understand why they don’t ask “what can we do to make these barren planets better”, instead of “empty planets are fun!”… ironically its this that has turned me off from buying Starfield … cheers Bethesda
Once they revealed that it was going to be about 1000 procedurally generated planets, my hype fizzled out. Almost no game gets this right. It’s all boring unless you add a shit ton of content to the game that can scale with the procedural generation or have a solid game play loop. Which, this game doesn’t have… I wish they had like 10-20 planets that were fleshed out and had more than 1 big city in them that almost all the quests have you going back to. This game is just stale and too simple imo
Roberts Space Industries vehemently disagrees!
Hey, that’s what I said warning people about Starfield “explore these million planets” games are almost always boring. Got downvoted into oblivion.
No man’s sky does this much better, still not perfect though. And still slightly boring, but better. But boring… also better.
Procedurally generated for me sounds like it should mean the places around the hand crafted areas we made are kind of random and not “yeah so this time the temple is green” Noita seems like a Procedurally generated game (which it is) but there are lots of fixed areas like “gold”
Can you imagine though if they rolled this out as a 2TB super universe game? That would be insane… cool but insane.
Honestly the only games that really did procedural world generation correct are Minecraft and Civilization.
Minecraft went through TONS of iterations before getting it right too, and arguably some of the old stuff was better than it is today
At some point they should have said, “Alright, we’re done. This game is complete.”
Maybe Daggerfall, at least for its’ time.
Ego.
They know modders will fix it
Honestly, this is kind of how I feel about Bethesda games in general.
They just aren’t very good. They are, however, excellent frameworks for others to build a good game on top of.
I don’t think Sony will let them spend any more money on this “project”.
I’m more worried for the future of Elder Scrolls and Fallout, if they are gonna be anything like this empty game.
I’ll no longer buy a Bethesda title on its launch again tho, wait for them reviews.
I don’t they’ll care much what Sony has to say. They’re owned by Microsoft.
The problem isn’t that the game is boring, it’s that it allows players to do boring things.
There is no reason to scan lots of empty planets and build resource extractors on them…
I did this and simply thought… screw this im just gonna do quests from now on… then the game is fine.
empty planets are fun
You haven’t played Homeworld…
It’s even so much that you can’t have barren planets. It does make sense - even if the randomly placed POIs contradicts it to some degree. But they really needed to added more handcrafted locations on the map tiles where there is a major settlement. Put 15-20 places around New Atlantis. Give Neon the Metal Gear Solid Motherbase treatment where it’s multiple rigs connected with one another that we can shuttle to.
The space theme the game has was always going to lead to a more disconnected feeling simply because you get to jump to other planets, which doesn’t make traversal continuous. But at the very least, just make it so that we can get that feeling on the major planets of interest.
It wasn’t the uncanny valley mannequins?
Whatever floats your boat.
The biggest problem is that with all these barren planets, there’s no real space traversal. If the game were actually open world, meaning no load screens, and you could actually fly in space from planet to planet, it would be a lot better.
So many problems other than the boring planets. They are right many planets were expected to be boring waste lands one problem is it’s tricky to transition from somewhere boring to somewhere where something’s happening. Too many menu clicks or the faux flying game.
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I don’t understand why they’d say that. Be cool if maybe you could turn the whole planet into a research base and terraform etc. that’s lofty though.
I simply can’t understand why they thought we’d wanna see 1000’s of planets of nothing.
It usually is worth it to wait on Bethesda games anyway. Probably the first Beth game where I played through the game like once lmao
I’d be willing to bet its because they know exactly who’s going to fix the problem for them for free. The modders.
No man’s sky did exactly that and now it’s loads of fun
Barren was the vision. To make the planets fun you’d have to fill them with content which goes against the vision.
Reject fun, embrace the vision.
I honestly don’t think they put that much thought into the “vision”. I think they either ran out of time or just didn’t care and then slapped a “vision” on to try to make the emptiness make sense.
because they’d be admitting that they screwed it up, and nobody has the time nor the maturity to do that.
What I don’t understand Is the playtesters must have been telling them it was boring years before release and they were too arrogant to try and fix it.
If they had gamified studying or surveying empty planets in some kind of immersive and interesting way, I could actually really get into it.
Xenoblade Chronicles X is legit the best exploration experience I’ve had in a game, and it had a survey/resource building element that was fun as well. The WiiU is honestly such an underrated console.
Make them a different kind of challenge. Devoid of life and stations, but environmental challenges and weird caves with unique challenges and rewards. Random crashed ships, or you know complexes that forward the main story…
Just off the top of my head. Sad that they chose this and then doubled down when people gave them negative feedback.
I got one of those chatgpt style responses on my negative steam review that raised 5 major issues with the game. So irritating.
They don’t want the cost of updating the game. That’s why
Uh did Niel Armstrong try to make the moon better?
He put a flag there.
They also had a golf minigame there. Huge difference.
Effectively there’s really nothing without changing the core features of the game. They might remove one of the greater offenders that keeps popping but it’ll still have all the issues and the core content won’t change.
You know the thing is. Actually empty planet would be kinda neat. But they are actually filled with non-content. The same boring building. You go to a so called uncharted planet because people don’t explore in this world for lore reason but it’s filled with shit. Give me an actual empty planet
The worst Bethesda game of your life so far.
Yep elder scrolls 6 is gonna stink. Guess it’s back to reinstalling Skyrim with 200 mods every few years for the rest of our lives. lol
this is my fear
Elder Scrolls is such an incredible IP, with so much lore to fall back on… for them to fuck that up would be like Bioware screwing up Mass Effect, can you imagine?
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that up would be like Bioware screwing up Mass Effect, can you imagine?
Nope, can’t imagine. That’s why I’m so excited for the new ME game to come out after 11 years with no new Mass Effect games.
The overhauls are enough tbh. Enderal in particular is amazing.
200 mods is baby numbers lol, most decent Wabbajack lists now days are over 1200 mods. I think my personal list is like 1800
Modders have made Skyrim SO much better than people who haven’t played recently realize. There’s mods to completely overhaul combat and make it an extremely fluid Soulslike, while also adding things like hanggliders from Zelda + 8k textures and high effort animations etc to make it look better than most new games
Bethesda is going to have a hard time actually making TES 6 stand up to modded Skyrim by the time it comes out in 2030+
Can confirm, Skyrim modding has gone crazy.
I did not expect people to actually pick up the torch after Bethesda fucked with the engine via Ultimate edition, but low and behold its better than ever despite this.
Prior to Ultimate I was sitting at 700-900 mods. Now I’ve got 1400~ from 1-2 years ago. Likely would be even higher as of late.
Just so many small QoL updates, visual and systematic overhauls. Each facet of the game has 100-200 mods a piece, then another 200-300 mods that glue all of those together with compatibility patches.
I think what really kicked things up is that people finally were willing to retire the old guard mods and replace them with modern equivalents. Campfire/Frostfall finally getting a replacement being the big example.
Nexus officially supporting modpacks was no slouch either.
Here’s the thing, how could I possibly follow all the mod changes if I download that 1200 mod pack?
You don’t need to follow the changes since Skyrim is a static game. The first step of modding Skyrim is you turn off steam updates for it entirely, then all your mods will work forever
The wabbajack authors also do put out updates pretty regularly to update mods to newer versions or replace them entirely. You just re-run the wabbajack installer and it will overwrite the out dated mods with the new ones
I meant more like if there’s 1200 mods, it’s going to be hard to see just everything thats changed without reading every single one
i’m terrified beyond measure for fallout 5. i don’t even know if it’ll come out in my lifetime.
I’m not even thinking about Fallout 5. Elder Scrolls 6 is next on the horizon, and Starfield does not bode well for it at all. It’s going to be absolutely awful without some massive changes in the way Bethesda designs their games. I’m not holding my breath.
Microsoft honestly should just give fallout to obsidian to do another off shoot like new Vegas while Bethesda does elder scrolls. If elder scrolls sucks too I’m done with Bethesda.
Obsidian just did that with Outer Worlds and it was a resounding so-so. NV was lightning in a bottle
It was better than starfield in my opinion with just a fraction of the money and dev team.
It was not perfect by any means, especially the weakest aspect combat (not far off from NV). But the dialogue, choices that matter, and different playstyle/ways to solve problems are still there. Like you can play a low INT character that can lead to great dialogue and a funny ending that i wont spoil.
I would give an obsidian fallout game a chance.
Doesn’t help that so many of the Obsidian devs that made NV so great have since left the studio. At this point it’s almost completely different people.
Elder Scrolls 6 is going to suck, friend. Bethesda is creatively bankrupt. Unless we see massive structural changes to their organization, it’ll be the same bland boring Creation Engine dated bullshit as Starfield. Set your expectations accordingly.
I doubt you’d be missing much
When I started only playing the quest lines in Starfield, basically the stuff I know Bethesda made, and stopped exploring empty planets and the same science outpost for the millionth time, I had a lot of fun with the game. The other stuff was and is just to boring.
Come on guys lets just admit to the fact that this isnt as cool as the other games mostly cause you cant really fuck around like you could in the other games.
It’s a bethesda game with all the negatives but none of the positives they put in their games.
You cant just pick a direction and do random shit like kill some guy then have Lucien Lachance appear outta nowhere, nor enter a cave and end up spending 5 hours in blackreach for no reason, nor come across some random quest and end up dealing with a daedric prince, etc
The game also lacks the urban “stuff hidden in obscure places” kind of exploration fallout 3 and 4 had plus messing around with skills or coming up with builds or breaking the game with idiot savant and 1 point in INT.
It also lacks any kind of interesting lore like fallout and let’s not even mention interesting lore connected to main NPCs like in TES.
With none of that in the game all you’re left with is the boring bethesda shit that we all just put up with, like loading screens, where starfield is the worst offender out of all their games btw, being encumbered, lack of money, oversimplified skill trees, shit inventory, bland npcs disconnected from reality etc
Yes it is. Back to fallout 76.
Can we just admit Bethesda is washed at this point? What are the chances of TES 6 actually being good lol?
“The community will fix it!”
- Bethesda probably
Ota dificult to fix it when you cap the mechanics and the motors ots realy old
I see people say this a lot. But if Bethesda was serious about having modders being the only ones fixing their game, wouldn’t they be in constant communication with them? Hell, not only would the creation tools be available day one, they’d probably give them full access to their engine.
That would probably require…work.
So no. They put up the skeleton and let the mods flesh it out.
They won’t there aren’t enough fans of the game and also the problems aren’t superficial there are too many major issues that would be a massive undertaking to fix. The whole game needs remaking and it would essentially be Starfield 2.
There’s so much shit to learn what they could have added from just LOOKING AT WHATS BEEN MODDED IN TO PREVIOUS GAMES.
“What do you mean ‘fix it’? The game’s perfect!’
I got Starfield for free with my purchase of a Ryzen 7 7700X and have not even redeemed it
I did the first like opening mission and got bored and never touched it again. Didn’t feel bad bc same with me I didn’t pay for it
If you like Bethesda games you’ll like it. Yes it’s barren in some places but the cities and quest feel like Bethesda. If you don’t like them a ton, you probably won’t like it. (I could be wrong but that’s how I see it, I like starfield, but it doesn’t beat fallout 3, nv or even 4 for me)
I am a Bethesda fanboy and like you I didn’t like Starfield as much as any as their other games. I’ve never had buyer’s remorse from their other games like I did with Starfield
I can has?
The way Homer says “No it doesn’t” has been stuck in my brain for 30 years now.
That’s insane it’s been 30 years…
No it hasn’t.
what’s the name of the episode?
“Try walking in it backwards. Try building a different character because it’s obvious the way you want to play our game isn’t the right way to play it.”
Seriously, I haven’t even been able to watch Many a True Nerd play the game because even he can’t make the game engaging enough for me.
“You can roleplay any character you want, as long as they have amnesia and forget they’ve already fought the same pirates in the same building 4x before”
The amount of copium people are smoking about this game is unreal. Half the posts are “this bug is so cool!!!”
And it’s shocking to me how many tens of thousands of people paid $100 just to play it 5 days earlier
I paid it to play 7 hours earlier. I still have my regrets