And that is my point. Show me in my post where I praised the man?
I didn’t. I called out you lot for bandwagoning and group think. and you clearly are.
Because now you are making claims about my post which clearly do not exist.
I clearly directed this to the flood of “ding dong the wicked witch is dead” posters who know nothing about his achievements or what was LEVELLED AGAINST HIM BY IS CRITICS.
I clearly stated that he had critics. But you lot only saw that I was not jumping on the bash him bandwagon and then concluded that I’m a supporter because it went against status quo. That is the fucking definition of group think.
Personally I am not a fan of his politics or him as a person.
But for fuck sake, you lot are acting like he was the devil.
The irony of telling someone to “go outside and get a hobby” for posting online while conversely doing the same thing, coupled with the cliche of claiming “you’re a troll” because they have an opinion you disagree with.
Well done for double scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Can I expect more of your cutting wit in future replies? 🙄
You will surely get some upvotes and reinforce your view that you are right while yelling into the echo chamber with your fingers firmly pressed into your ears. 👏
I mean the fact your post was as cliche as a 16 year old could muster and still attempt to take a high ground on an intellectual premise is arrogance of the highest accord.
No I’m not, I literally outlined in my initial post that there are critics of Kissenger.
I’m outlining that the subject is a dogpile of people engaging in group think where the only valid opinion is “he badman” and there is no honest discourse.
Well he was instrumental in ending the Vietnam War. He and his family fled the Nazis in 1938, then he joined the us army to fight them in 1943.
His views on defeating communism meant he also advocated for some fucked up shit. And most of his work in policy is why I’m not a fan of him.
But it’s not a binary thing. He is not the devil. Not even close to some of the people in power today.
My point has and continues to be that there is no discourse going on right now. There is just a dogpile.
I didn’t want to argue about the virtues of Kissenger, or lack. I wanted to point out the large amount of group think people are going into on THE SUBJECT.
Yeah I’m sure he fled his country at 16 then chose to fight against the Nazis 4 years later because he was focused on “political power”. That’s fucking ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated
And again, IamRight links are bullshit.
Show me published papers or edu links.
What a powerful counterpoint. I mean clearly because you do not agree I’m a bootlicker.
After all your echo chamber developed point of view is clearly correct.
I mean how could it not be? You didn’t come up with it yourself. You just looked at what everyone was saying and made a juvenile response to try and feel connected to the group.
Should we talk more about your need to feel like you have relevance in the group or are we done?
Oh of course it is, unless you want to claim it isn’t. I already addressed this with my “hurr durr Nobel Peace Prize irrelevant because globalisation bad”.
You literally just started the Nobel Peace Prize is irrelevant, without qualification.
And now you want to claim I’m not “answering anything”.
I have made my best effort to answer replies. But why should I do more than what you are doing?
So please, as a Swede, somehow giving you special knowledge of the subject, explain why the Nobel Peace prize is irrelevant? I mean it started in Norway, so not even in your country. 🙄
I mean was it irrelevant when the Red Cross won it twice? What about when it was won by Bertha von Suttner? What about Kofi Annan? Or Narges Mohammadi?
Or is it maybe that it is only irrelevant when it doesn’t support your position?
The Paris Peace accords leading to a ceasefire in Vietnam were signed on January 27, 1973. To critics, “peace with honor” didn’t look that different from options available when Nixon first took power: “Kissinger and Nixon wasted four years of negotiations with the Vietnamese communists, agreeing to virtually the same peace terms in 1973 that were on the table in 1969,” argues Brigham. In total, 2.5 million to 3 million Vietnamese and other Indochinese and 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam. Hundreds more were missing in action.
On the other side of the equation, a consultant to the Johnson Administration on the peace process stood ready to pass information from the 1968 peace talks to Nixon, who then did his utmost to sabotage them, even though, according to the Logan Act, it is illegal for U.S. citizens “to engage in unauthorized diplomacy with foreign countries with intent to ‘influence the measures or conduct’ of a foreign government.” The informant from within the talks? None other than Henry Kissinger, who used his role as Johnson’s adviser at the peace talks to help secure Nixon’s 1968 victory.
You don’t get to claim you contributed to peace when you deliberately stalled it and lengthened the war and then achieved literally nothing at all in terms of improving the terms of the piece. His role in the negotiations was to ensure more people died.
I listened to 6 hours about the guy’s life and he sucks ass. Maybe you’d take your own advice if you’ve got the time
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-kissinger-94160733/
Wow you listened to someone else’s opinion for 6 hours and provided an IamRight weblink.
You are clearly an expert.
I bet your “research” doesn’t mention his Nobel Peace Prize for helping to end America’s involvement in the Vietnam war.
See I can cherry pick facts as well.
But let me guess, your counter argument is “hurr durr globalisation propaganda”, right?
bad troll
Ah yes, different opinions for which you fail to provide a valid counterpoint must mean troll.
Thank you for your irrelevant input.
you a bad troll because praising kissinger here is like shooting fish in a barrel. i mean, come on…
And that is my point. Show me in my post where I praised the man?
I didn’t. I called out you lot for bandwagoning and group think. and you clearly are.
Because now you are making claims about my post which clearly do not exist.
I clearly directed this to the flood of “ding dong the wicked witch is dead” posters who know nothing about his achievements or what was LEVELLED AGAINST HIM BY IS CRITICS.
I clearly stated that he had critics. But you lot only saw that I was not jumping on the bash him bandwagon and then concluded that I’m a supporter because it went against status quo. That is the fucking definition of group think.
Personally I am not a fan of his politics or him as a person.
But for fuck sake, you lot are acting like he was the devil.
top kek… happy kissinger death day to all
Solid counter argument. Did you come up with that one all by yourself or did mummy help you?
Isn’t it time for your tendies and a nappy change?
write another wall of text, that’ll show me mr troll. i’m out5.
Obvious troll is very obvious. Go outside and get a hobby mate
Irony and cliche in one post.
The irony of telling someone to “go outside and get a hobby” for posting online while conversely doing the same thing, coupled with the cliche of claiming “you’re a troll” because they have an opinion you disagree with.
Well done for double scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Can I expect more of your cutting wit in future replies? 🙄
You don’t get to expect wit in replies when your clearly have a negative amount
You will surely get some upvotes and reinforce your view that you are right while yelling into the echo chamber with your fingers firmly pressed into your ears. 👏
I mean the fact your post was as cliche as a 16 year old could muster and still attempt to take a high ground on an intellectual premise is arrogance of the highest accord.
More big words that weren’t needed
You are correct there. They were big words wasted on a small mind.
My apologies.
Are you really pretending kissinger’s actions are entirely unknown to the world?
No I’m not, I literally outlined in my initial post that there are critics of Kissenger.
I’m outlining that the subject is a dogpile of people engaging in group think where the only valid opinion is “he badman” and there is no honest discourse.
What good did he do
Don’t bother mentioning that prize if you aren’t going to explain why he was given it
Well he was instrumental in ending the Vietnam War. He and his family fled the Nazis in 1938, then he joined the us army to fight them in 1943.
His views on defeating communism meant he also advocated for some fucked up shit. And most of his work in policy is why I’m not a fan of him.
But it’s not a binary thing. He is not the devil. Not even close to some of the people in power today.
My point has and continues to be that there is no discourse going on right now. There is just a dogpile.
I didn’t want to argue about the virtues of Kissenger, or lack. I wanted to point out the large amount of group think people are going into on THE SUBJECT.
He was not
https://slrpnk.net/comment/4371443
He was instrumental in making it last longer
He fought the nazis because he cared about personal power and US power, not because he cared about the nazis.
Yeah I’m sure he fled his country at 16 then chose to fight against the Nazis 4 years later because he was focused on “political power”. That’s fucking ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated
And again, IamRight links are bullshit. Show me published papers or edu links.
I have links that say the world leaders are Reptile Aliens. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240595423_The_Reptoid_Hypothesis_Utopian_and_Dystopian_Representational_Motifs_in_David_Icke’s_Alien_Conspiracy_Theory
I’m glad there’s at least one person against the dog pile. Nuance is lost here; this place becomes more like reddit every day. :/
Lol, go back to lurking bootlicker…
What a powerful counterpoint. I mean clearly because you do not agree I’m a bootlicker.
After all your echo chamber developed point of view is clearly correct.
I mean how could it not be? You didn’t come up with it yourself. You just looked at what everyone was saying and made a juvenile response to try and feel connected to the group.
Should we talk more about your need to feel like you have relevance in the group or are we done?
The Nobel peace prize is unfortunately worthless
Oh of course it is, unless you want to claim it isn’t. I already addressed this with my “hurr durr Nobel Peace Prize irrelevant because globalisation bad”.
Try reading the thread before commenting.
As a swede I know in detail why the peace prize sucks and “globalization” is just your excuse to not answer anything
You literally just started the Nobel Peace Prize is irrelevant, without qualification.
And now you want to claim I’m not “answering anything”.
I have made my best effort to answer replies. But why should I do more than what you are doing?
So please, as a Swede, somehow giving you special knowledge of the subject, explain why the Nobel Peace prize is irrelevant? I mean it started in Norway, so not even in your country. 🙄
I mean was it irrelevant when the Red Cross won it twice? What about when it was won by Bertha von Suttner? What about Kofi Annan? Or Narges Mohammadi?
Or is it maybe that it is only irrelevant when it doesn’t support your position?
Unfortunately we get to hear all about them anyway
Replies and answers are not the same thing
https://bigthink.com/the-past/worst-nobel-peace-prizes/
https://www.reuters.com/world/nobel-prize-body-knew-kissingers-1973-vietnam-deal-unlikely-bring-peace-2023-01-11/
https://www.history.com/news/henry-kissinger-vietnam-war-legacy
https://progressive.org/magazine/kissingers-culpability-cords/
You don’t get to claim you contributed to peace when you deliberately stalled it and lengthened the war and then achieved literally nothing at all in terms of improving the terms of the piece. His role in the negotiations was to ensure more people died.
So you didn’t rebuff my point. Only continued your line that the Nobel Peace Prize is irrelevant.
But I noticed you didn’t comment on the irrelevancy of those examples I gave you.
So tell me, why are these awards to Narges Mohammadi irrelevant? Why is it irrelevant to Nelson Mandela?
Don’t post more IamRight links about Kissenger. We established that this was a controversial award. We established that he is controversial.
I agreed.
Tell me why the award is irrelevant? Because your position is now hinging on the fact it is. This was your point was it not?
Lol. Praising him for “ending” a war he was responsible for extending.