So hear me out, the current top 10 clubs in the Premier League should be considered a “big 10”. So the general rule for a club to be considered a part of “big x” they have to be:
- Big club - a big fanbase and history
- Financial strength - ability to spend a lot to buy playera
- Pull factor - playera wanting to join the club just becuse of the club name
- Consistent success
Now there is no doubt why the “big 6” is part of this “big 10”.
Now Aston Villa, Newcastle are big clubs, spend a lot, pull players from big clubs from other leagues and have had consistent good results in last 2 season.
West Ham is a big club, with consistent results (apart from last season). However, they have less pull factor and less financial strength from clubs listed above. But, I believe that their ability is in these categories is still better than bottom 10 clubs so that’s why they should still be considered part of “big 10”.
Brighton is the only highly questionable. They have results and relative financial strength. However, they have almost no pull factor and aren’t a big club. But if their results continue to be good they will start to become a big club and gain a pull factor.
That’s why I believe Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Tottenham, Spurs, United, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Brighton and West Ham are part of “Big 10”. What do you think?
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Nah, Big 6 was already a stretch (really it’s big 5 cuz Spurs haven’t won anything).
agreed
hope they aren’t playing my team, my teams in the championship and would get hammered. Although we have won the premier league
There have been teams in Aston Villa’s and brightons position before it just changes teams every few years. West Ham are difficult to classify cause every few years they collapse
The only difference between the big 6 and the other 14 is just how much media attention they get and how likely it is a eandom fan will support them. Finishing position is kind of completely irrelevant.
Give me 100 random fans and I’d pretty 50+ of them will support the “Big 6” clubs
Longevity matters. Southampton, Everton, Leicester we’re once in these position but look where they are now. Leicester were the closest in breaking the “big 6” they have the highest social media following outside of the big 6 due to their recent success. If Villa and Newcastle would have be consistently top 4-6 for it be become anything but a big 6. If they ever finished below 6th then yet no longer get taken seriously.
Weve all forgotten chelsea
Brighton are just Brentford but a few years ahead. If anything Brentford have done a lot better than Brighton did when they first came up
West Ham finished like 14th last year, behind 5 other London clubs. Bit of a stretch
You need to include in the general rule that they are consistently qualifying for champs league and sometimes push for the title. It’s more about at the start of the season who has a realistic shot of winning or challenging for the title.
Your definitions would include everyone from the premier league. They spend massively compared to any other league. If you look at France and Germany you say there’s 1 or 2 ‘big clubs’ each. Even some of those qualifying for champs league regularly aren’t big clubs compared to the big six.
West ham, Aston Villa, Brighton, etc etc aren’t ‘big clubs’ in the ‘big 6’ sense as they are still ultimately feeders to those higher.
The point of describing a ‘big 6’ can be looked at with the super league. There’s financial reasons why they - and not others - were invited and discussed it.
What will we do with this knowledge?
“Brighton have no pull factor” oi we have barcelonas number 10 on loan this season
But realistically yeah it’s just a big 6. Newcastle might shove themselves in there (they should given their financial power). Villa, Brighton, Brentford, West Ham etc will all the fall away in the same way Southampton and Wolves did, it’s just football. Maybe not to the degree of dropping out the league or anything but managers come and go and that usually coincides with a stumble.
Yes and Brighton can’t even stock enough merchandise, coming up Christmas and you can not even get a home shirt from the club shop!!! where would you find that happening in the top six club?
Let’s call it the big 20 because whoever is in the EPL is big. Everyone knows them. Big 20.
I you didn’t get relegated, you are big. LOL
Let’s call it big 44 then. Because the epl and championship is big. Players got bigggg wages
Financial supremacy is what really sets the “Big 6” apart from the rest of the league. Their revenue is significantly higher which means they can spend a lot more under FFP. That allows them to keep the majority of their best players/staff and rebound when they go through a rough patch, or spend their way out of trouble, rather than just fading away.
There is a strong argument that having qualified for the Champions League, with other vastly increasing revenue streams and owners with a bottomless pit of money, Newcastle are on track to join them as a 7th financially dominant club.
For Villa, Brighton and West Ham, we are still a long way behind the Big 6 in terms of revenue and therefore spending power. It would take qualifying for the Champions League multiple times and rapid expansion of our global fanbases to close that gap.
It’s weird though because Villa is in a weird middle ground where they spend far more than most non-big 6 teams and have a net spend higher than that of Liverpool and Man City (But that’s also because these clubs have won trophies, improving their net spend).
As well, under Unai Emery, they could easily build back the pre Premier League days of Villa if they win a trophy or two as they have a ton of history, very large fan base, and decent ownership. As a result, Villa, and Newcastle as well, are in weird spots as they are very obviously growing extremely fast.
Yeah this is the hope for us as Villa fans. Spending is not just net transfer fees though, it’s wages as well. Villa still can’t get near any of the big 6 in terms of the wage bill.
If we were to qualify for the Champions League, get the revenue from that, bring in bigger sponsors, get more global fans, that’s when the gap would start to close.
MASSIVE recency bias mate…Brighton have played well and been competing with the big clubs for like…two years? You get this every now and then; a small club will put together a good run for a few years but they eventually won’t be able to survive having players and managers snatched up by the actual big clubs. And while clubs like West Ham and Villa definitely have a leg up on most of the rest of the prem, they both have their best players plundered by the big 6 bc they aren’t actually on their level financially. It is time to start calling it the big 7 though. Newcastle has the financials and the results, pretty soon there will be little/no functional difference between them and traditional big 6.
Yeah weird he mentioned Brighton financially when Brighton have one of the lower wage bills and net spends
You know nothing of the history of English football if you didn’t already regard Newcastle, Villa, and West Ham as big clubs.
West ham aint a big club
Stupid statement really, West ham Won a world cup, multiple European trophies and Had Mark noble play for them and Have Bubbles the Bear run down the half way line every match game day. Out of all the clubs listed how many have had that? Yeah didn’t think so…
West ham won a world cup, didn’t know they were their own country.
Welcome to football. You’re gonna delete this comment after you do some Google searching.
The argument for West Ham is that the have a monopoly of fans from East London, through Essex They undoubtably have a large following and culture about them that all of the U.K. is aware of.
More massive, really.