• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    What does their history have to do with what they want today?

    Are you saying Hawaiians should be denied democracy?

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      What does their history have to do with what they want today?

      I’m not going to give you an education here about it, there’s plenty you can read about the history of the Hawaiian nation and the US.

      Lets just say that the wishes of the Hawaiian people in the past were not honored very well.

      Are you saying Hawaiians should be denied democracy?

      No, not at all. You really should read up on the history before continuing to assume that I’m saying things that I’m not saying.

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        Unless you can explain what the history of Hawaii would have to do with a democratic vote on whether to be American or Chinese, you can weave and bob all you want, but you have no point.

        If Hawaii was given the democratic choice of “be American” or “be Chinese,” the only people their history should matter to is the voters themselves.

        And I’m guessing you’re not Hawaiian, so it seems a bit paternalistic to speak on their behalf.

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          Unless you can explain what the history of Hawaii would have to do with a democratic vote on whether to be American or Chinese, you can weave and bob all you want, but you have no point.

          If Hawaii was given the democratic choice of “be American” or “be Chinese,” the only people their history should matter to is the voters themselves.

          And I’m guessing you’re not Hawaiian, so it seems a bit paternalistic to speak on their behalf.

          You REALLY should read up on it at least a little, before you continue to berate me about the subject.

          Its not my job to educate you, but here’s one link to get you started.

          As I mentioned before…

          Lets just say that the wishes of the Hawaiian people in the past were not honored very well.

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            I see, so they shouldn’t be allowed to democratically vote on which country to be a part of because their wishes won’t be honored.

            Still sounds paternalistic.

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              I’m not saying that at all. Please don’t put words in my mouth (again).

              Go read up on their history, and then my comment will have context and you’ll understand it.

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                you just posted the exact same comment four times. Could’ve tried explaining what point you’re trying to make in that time.

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                  you just posted the exact same comment four times. Could’ve tried explaining what point you’re trying to make in that time.

                  Its 5:30am here and I haven’t gone to bed yet, so I’m a little tired. Plus I’m having conversations with multiple people and getting multiple responses back, so you’ll have to forgive me if I repeat myself unnecessarily. Hard to track multiple conversations.

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                Well then I’m not sure what you’re arguing. Because my comment was that if Hawaiians got a chance to vote to be either American or Chinese, both countries should honor their vote.

                So unless you’re saying they shouldn’t be allowed that chance, I have no idea what your point is.