I think its a recognition of reality. Overwhelming majority of Jews support Israel in way way or another. Most of the “anti-zionist Jews” aren’t really against the existence of the occupation they just want to “end apartheid” because it looks bad and is unsustainable for occupation. Like those protestors earlier this year realizing that the more their “Jewish State” desecrates Al-Aqsa, the more likely the Palestinians wipe their “Jewish State” from the face of the earth. As Khaled Barakat in a recent interview stated, a lot of them are just upset about their captured cousins and they wouldn’t be nearly as energized if not for that.
The tiny fraction of Jewish community actually supporters of Palestinian liberation will recognize facts pointed out by user @frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml and would shut their mouths about how Ansarallah survives one of the most brutal siege of modern history.
Edit: Almost every Jewish institution and organization on the planet is connected to the occupation. Let’s not fool ourselves.
These are unexpected figures. Similar to @GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml, I thought Jewish support for Israel was a lot lower than the media often suggests. I wonder the extent to which the survey questions led towards these headlines.
These kinds of surveys do it with everything else. Like that recent one that essentially asked, ‘Do you support Israel’s right to defend itself?’ on the one hand and ‘Do you condemn Hamas for beheading babies and eating their livers?’ on the other. Almost everyone will support Israel over Hamas if you ask it like that.
The first question, for example, suggests a ‘quiet majority’ of strong pro-Israel opinion roughly correlating to the size of the US population that votes Republican. Then some dispersed views on an apparent but false continuum from support to oppose. For instance someone might support the goals of BDS but think that BDS is ineffective. That can’t be captured by the current question. Oppose, therefore, will capture Zionists and anti-Zionists, whereas support is likely only to capture anti-Zionists. I don’t think the results necessarily show that only 10% of US Jews support Palestinians.
The figures also don’t add up. Net support/oppose tallies ‘somewhat/strongly’ support/oppose. Then there’s an average of 2% who didn’t answer. In total, the table only captures 55% respondents. So we’re missing the views of roughly 45% of US Jews.
The second question can be interpreted in two ways. (1) What does Israel mean for someone’s own Judaism. (2) What does Israel mean for someone’s own concept of Judaism in general (which includes what any one person thinks other people think about their own Judaism and Judaism in general). If it’s the former, you get one answer. If it’s the latter, you get people answering based on what the friends, media, etc, tell them about what other Jews mean when they talk about being Jewish.
I’d also wonder about non-Jewish responses to see whether these results are from living in the US as opposed to being Jewish. I suspect that Jewish views would reflect USian views now broadly. The fact that the survey only asks Jews is potentially an inherent problem with the survey itself. (Maybe it asked everyone but asked participants to identify their ethnicity/religion or something like that and the surveyors disaggregated the stats?)
All this doesn’t necessarily discount your conclusions. I’d just be wary of fully relying on a survey like this to reach conclusions about actual levels of Jewish support for Israel. The labels themselves are poorly written and do not, in my view, support what is represented in the tables, nevermind the way that the survey was structured, framed, and shared, or when and how participants were chosen.
The survey only takes into account the US. It is a very reactionary country and not necessarily representative of Judaism as a whole. With biased questions at least 80% of USians support “Israel” but a majority of youth do not.
It is true a lot of liberals (jewish and non-jewish) dislike Netanyahu and his like for being too mask off. It is also true many organizations that claim to represent Judaism have zionist connections. However, the Zionist entity has a conscious strategy of falsely equating the faith with the project so they can equate palestine supporters and Nazis, despite the fact that many Jews recognizing that the horrific colonial regime does not represent their values.
I think its a recognition of reality. Overwhelming majority of Jews support Israel in way way or another. Most of the “anti-zionist Jews” aren’t really against the existence of the occupation they just want to “end apartheid” because it looks bad and is unsustainable for occupation. Like those protestors earlier this year realizing that the more their “Jewish State” desecrates Al-Aqsa, the more likely the Palestinians wipe their “Jewish State” from the face of the earth. As Khaled Barakat in a recent interview stated, a lot of them are just upset about their captured cousins and they wouldn’t be nearly as energized if not for that.
The tiny fraction of Jewish community actually supporters of Palestinian liberation will recognize facts pointed out by user @frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml and would shut their mouths about how Ansarallah survives one of the most brutal siege of modern history.
Edit: Almost every Jewish institution and organization on the planet is connected to the occupation. Let’s not fool ourselves.
Arab and Islamic Resistance will also liberate Jews from Zionism.
What is your basis for this? My impression was the opposite, albeit based on very limited information
Safe to assume “israelis” support their state even if they don’t like the particular government. US is next biggest population of Jews.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
BDS is bare minimum yet here we are only 10% of Jews in US support it.
Eight in 10 Jews say supporting “Israel” is important part of being Jewish
These are unexpected figures. Similar to @GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml, I thought Jewish support for Israel was a lot lower than the media often suggests. I wonder the extent to which the survey questions led towards these headlines.
These kinds of surveys do it with everything else. Like that recent one that essentially asked, ‘Do you support Israel’s right to defend itself?’ on the one hand and ‘Do you condemn Hamas for beheading babies and eating their livers?’ on the other. Almost everyone will support Israel over Hamas if you ask it like that.
The first question, for example, suggests a ‘quiet majority’ of strong pro-Israel opinion roughly correlating to the size of the US population that votes Republican. Then some dispersed views on an apparent but false continuum from support to oppose. For instance someone might support the goals of BDS but think that BDS is ineffective. That can’t be captured by the current question. Oppose, therefore, will capture Zionists and anti-Zionists, whereas support is likely only to capture anti-Zionists. I don’t think the results necessarily show that only 10% of US Jews support Palestinians.
The figures also don’t add up. Net support/oppose tallies ‘somewhat/strongly’ support/oppose. Then there’s an average of 2% who didn’t answer. In total, the table only captures 55% respondents. So we’re missing the views of roughly 45% of US Jews.
The second question can be interpreted in two ways. (1) What does Israel mean for someone’s own Judaism. (2) What does Israel mean for someone’s own concept of Judaism in general (which includes what any one person thinks other people think about their own Judaism and Judaism in general). If it’s the former, you get one answer. If it’s the latter, you get people answering based on what the friends, media, etc, tell them about what other Jews mean when they talk about being Jewish.
I’d also wonder about non-Jewish responses to see whether these results are from living in the US as opposed to being Jewish. I suspect that Jewish views would reflect USian views now broadly. The fact that the survey only asks Jews is potentially an inherent problem with the survey itself. (Maybe it asked everyone but asked participants to identify their ethnicity/religion or something like that and the surveyors disaggregated the stats?)
All this doesn’t necessarily discount your conclusions. I’d just be wary of fully relying on a survey like this to reach conclusions about actual levels of Jewish support for Israel. The labels themselves are poorly written and do not, in my view, support what is represented in the tables, nevermind the way that the survey was structured, framed, and shared, or when and how participants were chosen.
The survey only takes into account the US. It is a very reactionary country and not necessarily representative of Judaism as a whole. With biased questions at least 80% of USians support “Israel” but a majority of youth do not.
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This does not even take into account theliberal zionists.
…would it even matter if it was?
presumably shitting on all followers of a religion because of views they may not even hold, even when the vast majority of them do, is bad actually
It is true a lot of liberals (jewish and non-jewish) dislike Netanyahu and his like for being too mask off. It is also true many organizations that claim to represent Judaism have zionist connections. However, the Zionist entity has a conscious strategy of falsely equating the faith with the project so they can equate palestine supporters and Nazis, despite the fact that many Jews recognizing that the horrific colonial regime does not represent their values.