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Everything has to be video huh? Based on the comments here, this could have been a text post with a paragraph of text.
Alright, so I watched the video so you guys don’t have to. Here’s a synopsis:
Youtube’s ad blocking is going to backfire because:
- It caused people to stop using crappy ad blockers that didn’t even work with youtube to switch to effective ones that do.
- Drawing attention to “good” browsers and ad blockers, increasing adoption – including people that weren’t using or aware of the existence of them in the first place
- Increased support of the people making/maintaining ad blockers. Spite driven increase in donations, subscriptions to paid ad blockers, bug reports, etc.
- Cites the Streisand effect.
- Analogy of how prohibition led to stronger drugs, stronger booze, etc. If you tell people they can’t do something, they’re more likely to do it and get better at doing it.
- Cites how Youtube’s attempts to block ad blockers is breaking older embedded apps in smart TVs, chromecast, etc. Older or non-tech people are just more likely to stop using those rather than try to fix them – and thus cut back on watching youtube.
- Believes Youtube’s actions are an indication the internet’s “free with ads” model is dying – they’re getting desperate to maintain profitability.
It’s funny to me because I recently downloaded an app for my nvidia shield called smartTube which blocks ads and all that jazz. And I donated $10 to the dev. And posted to the git.
I only did this because of the recent headlines about YouTube policies changing. I don’t mind paying for things. But I will pay someone else out of spite if you charge me too much, pester me, or take away things like that were free.
Yeah, YouTube premium is more than 10 bucks a month, not per “you think it’s worth it”, so the prices aren’t even comparable.
YouTube premium is fucking expensive is what I’m trying to say.
🥇take my lemmy gold
Sums up a lot of mental outlaw vids
But he’s so edgy!
You just described 99.7% of videos on the web.
Pretty much anyone can read about 4x faster than they can speak, and that’s before all the fluff that shitty presenters add.
There is a website I discovered recently for doing text summaries of YouTube videos.
This video was also posted on YouTube, so here you can see a summary:
https://www.summarize.tech/www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBBQGkmn_0
It’s ironic how it injected an ad in “ad blocker” in the summary
‘Content Creators’ really need you to smash that “Like” & “Subscribe” button though!
Jesus what the hell is going on in those comments over there.
triple parentheses
unironic use of the word cuck
conspiracy theory about Google being a fake company
Welp.
His comment section is pretty fucking wild.
I really hope Louis Rossmans’s fan base is less toxic. The fact that he has been on Tim Pool probably imported a lot of weirdos.
I’m all for right to repair but that dude has always been a weirdo, imo
“((( )))”? I thought that was a crowd saying something e.g “((( that’s what she said )))”. Or being a really fat dude. I remember :-))) being a smiley with a triple chin.
((( What does this mean to some people now? )))
Its 4chan slang for jews
I want to unlearn English now please
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Confusing… that sounds positive. We should remember the atrocities committed against them. Funny how it was flipped to mean something bad.
IMO, it should be reclaimed. Just like “slut”, “queer” and other words are being reclaimed in a positive sense.
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Jews.
Wat?
((( Google )))
Jews Google? Jews say Google? Google for Jews? Google by Jews? Google owns Jews? Google is owned by Jews? Google likes Jews?
How is that supposed to be interpreted?
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Thanks. Conspiracy theorists…
Jewgle
Yes.
It’s a symptom of a Lisp programmer on meth.
Imagine being an alien and receiving a message from earth with LISP code. The last 3MB would just be brackets.
((())) indicates that someone is allegedly Jewish. Sometimes they use )))((( for their own names to imply that they’re surrounded by Jews.
I went to odysee once and saw the Babylon Bee advertised front page. Told me all I needed to know about the platform.
What’s wrong with the Babylon Bee? Isn’t that a site similar to The Onion?
Edit: lol downvoted for asking a genuine question?
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Yeah, I checked it out, and the jokes were rather lousy. The Onion’s jokes not always land, but they don’t feel lousy. I guess it’s because they’re still smart.
When they’re not doing that, it can actually be pretty good. Punching down is one of the main reasons why “the left can’t meme.” They can make spicy memes when they’re punching up. Rightoids needlessly punching down only drives away potential converts.
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The bee claims to be satire to deflect criticism. Often it fails to satirize at all, and just says shit things with intent to claim “its a joke bro”
Much of The Babylon Bee’s content, while stated to be satirical, often misses the point of satire.
It doesn’t work to defend existing power structures.
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If I remember correctly they’re owned by a conservative Christian company
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You went against the cult. How dare you!
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For real. I didn’t realize how bad all of the YouTube alternatives are. They are just flooded with neo-nazis and bigots. It just sucks with how we really don’t have much choice other than to use something like newpipe.
YouTube is also that way. It’s just that it gets buried down by the shitload of people who use it.
It could also be that those who want to see Odyssee and others fail, are the ones posting BS.
In my mind it makes sense that the more extreme people tend to gravitate from public circles and tend to land in places that have less moderation and more freedom of speech unfortunately.
There’s a reason speech isn’t 100% free. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is never cool even when it’s Great White, but in our eternal September someone’s always lobbing the fart jokes because for their little mind it’s new and cool.
YouTube is also that way. It’s just that it gets buried down by the shitload of people who use it.
Eh to degree, but the reason neonazis and bigots seem to flock to/make up a majority of these sites is often because they’re getting banned on YouTube - and these video platforms opt to survive by leaning into that instead of properly moderating their platform.
I think Odysee might eventually moderate blatant white supremacists.
Odysee is pretty mixed, but all alternative platforms are going to attract people who were pushed out of mainstream platforms, which biases them toward weird political orientations.
So many alternatives get flooded with these crazy people
What the hell indeed.
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Personally, I prefer peertube, but odyssee had potential… before the nutters. Peertube has this issue, too, but being decentralization, it’s more of finding an instance with less nut. Like soy, nuts are in everything.
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I was talking about the content creators that post solely on odysee specifically, as they tend to be as nut as the commenters (not always, of course). But you bring up a good point. There are two main problems with odysee…
How did you find the “care of” button instead of “%” symbol?
It’s funny cuz I had an ad blocker that worked on Youtube for a while but then stopped working one day. That was 3 years ago and I was too lazy to find a better blocker. Since they started putting that pop up in EVERY video, that prompted me to finally install a working one. Good job, Youtube. Ya played yaself.
I could deal with the 2 ads at the beginning of the video and the end but when they added ad interruptions in the middle of 5 minute videos and had ads covering the comments on every video. Yeah, screw off YouTube.
I just sideloaded uYou and it doesn’t even know what ads are so it never loads them. I would never had bothered circumventing the ads if they were reasonable, but they aren’t. They want everyone on premium and obviously have disdain for non-premium users. Have no zero respect for that kind of business.
I was OK with a couple of ads in the beginning until their system went bonkers. For days it fed me the unskippable Kingsman movie trailer every single damn video I tried to watch.
That and my favorite Youtubers (mainly Red Letter Media) fighting Youtube which auto-inserted ads in the middle of their videos against their will, really cemented my ad blocker usage. They kept configuring their videos removing the ad placement and the ad was readded automatically. Now thankfully they are demonetized so Youtube ignores them.
tldw?
His argument is:
- A lot of people were using poor adblockers.
- Youtube can block the bad ones but struggles with the good ones.
- People switch to the better adblockers (some of which require a subscription)
Which is why you always finish your antibiotics
I’m hearing first time that some of the adblockers require subscription… Like, there’s ublock origin, the one and only god out there, why would you like to go somewhere else, even closed source?
Edit: damn autocorrect
I wonder how true that is for the average user
My father disabled ublock because it didn’t let him use YouTube. I sent hima tutorial on how to update the list and purge the cache but it was too much work for him
Use Ublock Origin, not Ublock.
I meant ublock origin
Didn’t know there was a “vanilla” ublock
Consider using VNC and simply doing the work for him. I find I just do not have the time to coach them through a document and I just do all this stuff for my parents instead. Life’s too short to explain where the any key is.
Never updated or purged ublock origin. Never got the popup. Is this only regional thing or Firefox built different.
I may be wrong, but I think it has something to do with whether or not you had any custom filters enabled when youtube started cracking down on ad blockers. I also haven’t seen a popup yet, but I assumed it was because I’m too lazy to go beyond the vanilla UBO install.
No, there’s an A/B implementation going on. The UBO maintainers hadn’t seen the crackdown themselves and had to rely on troubleshooting reports to see what is going on which is wild to think about - both on their skill but also did google specifically whitelist them or are they exceptionally lucky
I never saw it on desktop.
I was annoyed when I got the popup, so I stopped using vanilla yt and started using invidious or freetube. Since then ubo updated a couple times. I used vanilla yt the past couple days for hours of educational vids, and got no antiadblock messages. It wasn’t until I saw this post that I realized that ubo autofixed itself. Ask your father to reinstall ubo on ff and see if it fixes it. Also, I don’t ever log on to yt, so maybe that plays a factor.
same here. it’s the real reason i don’t set it up for people, they need to be able to at least maintain it. My mother can’t get the update working either until i did it step by step with her and she practiced it several time.
- The video’s comment section on its native site is… interesting.
- I don’t trust this guy. It feels like he’s just slinging things at the wall that most people could intuit without any research. Yes, sometimes things backfire when you try to stifle them. Sometimes, however, the stifling works (otherwise dictators would have a much harder time ruling). That’s just the way things go.
- I’ma need some actual data to back up Youtube’s anti-adblocker experiment succeeding/failing. People are so quick to jump on the ‘it failed’ or ‘it succeeded’ bandwagon but the truth is we simply don’t know the result yet, and may not for a long while.
- This could’ve been an email. This guy’s delivery is sprawling and lacks conciseness.
He’ll often take a two minute point and then extend it by 10 minutes.
He’s also one of those people who acts like everyone who doesn’t use Linux is a sheep. Linux is fundamentally not ready for widespread desktop use. The only way I see that changing is if a corporation decides to make their own distro and find a way to monetize it. It would also need to be pre-installed.
I have some tech savvy friends who caved in a took a YouTube premium sub because they didn’t know the fix to refresh ublock rules.
So I think YouTube’s strategy is working, even if they are not completely blocking blockers they are still converting some blockers to paying users.
There is one mistake in this Video. Ublock origin doesn’t accept donations the last time checked.
You’re right: uBo doesn’t accept donations out of integrity but they propose people donate to the list maintainers on which it depends instead.
Can you share some details, I can not find anything about it on their github page.
Sure, it’s right on their README: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/blob/master/README.md#about
Free. Open-source. For users by users. No donations sought.
If you ever want to contribute something, think about the people working hard to maintain the filter lists you are using, which are available to use by all for free.
“oh no, anyway” moment…
I thought odysee was dying because LBRY got got by the SEC?
TIL Odysee has Reddit comments.
As they say, “like a bitch”
