No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. The Israeli state apparatus should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.
God especially on the internet, can’t have any nuance about “well you’re right, but that doesn’t mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist” it’s just “You’re as extreme as me or you’re on the other side”
It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.
Palestine in general being a victim doesn’t automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.
There’s been an unbroken streak of violence since 1948, when the Arab states refused to allow the partition and began an offensive war. This has been followed by other military attempts by the Arabs, supported by the Palestinians, until they finally lost decisively in the 1970s. That has been followed by five decades of intermittent terrorism and organized attacks.
I get wanting to criticize Israel. Their policies have been dog shit in many areas… but intentionally attacking civilians is something which Israel doesn’t need to tolerate.
Nope, they aren’t. You could make a quite reasonable argument that Israel isn’t doing enough to avoid collateral civilian deaths, but at the end of the day, the reason civilians die while Israel fights Hamas is that Hamas hides behind civilians. Claiming Israel is intentionally killing civilians is blatantly dishonest.
Why is Israel under an obligation to endlessly supply water and electricity for a people who place genocidal terrorists as their government? I mean, I’m glad the Biden admin got them to turn the water back on but how often will the hand which feeds get bitten before it stops feeding
The median age in Palestine is 18. A majority weren’t alive for that “election”. Hamas isn’t even Democratic. They are jihadists who are consolidating power.
This rhetoric is insane. If we substitute America for Israel people would be foaming at the mouth on Palestinian side, and they wouldn’t be making these false equivalency between Hamas and Palestine.
Treat people like animals for decades, it’s no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.
No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. The Israeli state apparatus should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.
“It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time.”
We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn’t work like that.
God especially on the internet, can’t have any nuance about “well you’re right, but that doesn’t mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist” it’s just “You’re as extreme as me or you’re on the other side”
Palestine isn’t Hamas. Hamas doesn’t represent all of Palestine
It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.
Palestine in general being a victim doesn’t automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.
That doesn’t mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.
I didn’t say it did, though I suppose that goes for what I said as well.
Right, but more than one thing can be true at once.
Yes, because Palestinians are toddlers and have no agency or responsibility for their actions. So patronizing.
They’re adults. They’re responsible for what they did.
And what did Palestine do to get the wrath of Israel?
There’s been an unbroken streak of violence since 1948, when the Arab states refused to allow the partition and began an offensive war. This has been followed by other military attempts by the Arabs, supported by the Palestinians, until they finally lost decisively in the 1970s. That has been followed by five decades of intermittent terrorism and organized attacks.
I get wanting to criticize Israel. Their policies have been dog shit in many areas… but intentionally attacking civilians is something which Israel doesn’t need to tolerate.
Intentionally attacking civilians which Israel is doing?
Nope, they aren’t. You could make a quite reasonable argument that Israel isn’t doing enough to avoid collateral civilian deaths, but at the end of the day, the reason civilians die while Israel fights Hamas is that Hamas hides behind civilians. Claiming Israel is intentionally killing civilians is blatantly dishonest.
Sure thing. Cutting water, electricity, and bombing hospitals is definitely not what Israel is doing.
Why is Israel under an obligation to endlessly supply water and electricity for a people who place genocidal terrorists as their government? I mean, I’m glad the Biden admin got them to turn the water back on but how often will the hand which feeds get bitten before it stops feeding
The median age in Palestine is 18. A majority weren’t alive for that “election”. Hamas isn’t even Democratic. They are jihadists who are consolidating power.
This rhetoric is insane. If we substitute America for Israel people would be foaming at the mouth on Palestinian side, and they wouldn’t be making these false equivalency between Hamas and Palestine.
They wouldn’t have to “feed” and “provide water to” their prisoners if they didn’t have them in barely more than concentration camps
Get yourself a lesson in History and don’t just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.
The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:
2008:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,202
Israel 🇮🇱 : 853
2009:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 7,460
Israel 🇮🇱 : 123
2010:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 1,659
Israel 🇮🇱 : 185
2011:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,260
Israel 🇮🇱 : 136
2012:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,936
Israel 🇮🇱 : 578
2013:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,031
Israel 🇮🇱 : 157
2014 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 19,860
Israel 🇮🇱 : 2,796
2015 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 14,813
Israel 🇮🇱 : 339
2016:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,572
Israel 🇮🇱 : 222
2017:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 8,526
Israel 🇮🇱 : 174
2018:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 31,558
Israel 🇮🇱 : 130
2019:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 15,628
Israel 🇮🇱 : 133
2020:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,781
Israel 🇮🇱 : 61
Seems like a fair and balanced fight
Are these numbers civilian or combatant’s deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?
You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.
As I said already, get some lessons in History.
KTHXBYE
Can you provide any sources to assist in this history lesson you want people to have?
Jfc the irony in your comment
Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. I missed the part in the Torah that says “start an apartheid ethnostate and brutalize your neighbors”.