• nonailsleft
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    11 months ago

    There’s a bit of a moral difference though. When you say ‘routinely murders civilians’, in a lot of cases we’re talking about protestors throwing rocks or molotovs at police or soldiers. Or when Hamas is firing missiles from a schoolyard or the roof of a hospital. Where do you draw the line where police/army/country has the right to defend themselves? Of course it creates a tense situation and Israel is going to close ranks around those who are far too trigger happy.

    But there’s still a huge difference with Hamas’ stated and demonstrated goal to kill off all jews. Israel is trying to bully the muslims so that they would emigrate, but they’re not killing civilians to wipe them out (if that were the case they would be failing).

    As a comparison Israel is acting more like Morocco colonising the Western Sahara and Hamas is acting like Europeans genociding the Native Americans

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      IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don’t care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression.

      Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does.

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        Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there’s a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say “IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest” instead of “routinely murdering children”.

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          Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023

          Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023

          Damn teenagers get younger with every cull.

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          Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year

          Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023)

          Shot in the head by Israeli forces.

          He was 2.

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            Sitting in a car caught in a gunfight where freedom fighters attacked the IDF. Do you believe they knew/saw he was in the car from that distance?

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              11 months ago

              Don’t hurt your back moving then goalposts.

              From “They only kill dangerous teens” to “The innocent kids are accidents actually.”

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                Where did I say “only”?

                Maybe you can get a forklift for your goalpost

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                  It was your implication. I was wrong because the deaths were actually teenagers, if your implication wasn’t accurate then why say it?

                  I haven’t moved goalposts or set parameters in the first place to move them.

                  Solid reply though “No u”. About as much as I can hope for from someone like you I guess.

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                    It was my ‘implication’?

                    This is a message board format - it’s easy to go back and see what I wrote

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        Israel made those men kill hundreds of people at a concert. They had no other choice. Brave protestors. Do you even listen to yourself?

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          Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn’t be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them.

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      When you say ‘routinely murders civilians’, in a lot of cases we’re talking about protestors throwing rocks or molotovs at police or soldiers. Or when Hamas is firing missiles from a schoolyard or the roof of a hospital.

      Don’t forget when they’re committing the crime of being born on land Israeli settlers want.