• irmoz@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    Stop dancing around the fucking point. It isn’t as simple as just not wanting a home. It’s knowing they can’t fucking manage the expenses and responsibility that are deliberately attached to owning a home. It’s trying to own a home and failing.

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      Except it isn’t trying and failing. In some cases they don’t even know how to try. In other cases they can but only some of the times because they aren’t always mentally stable.

      It sounds like you think homelessness is because of individual failings and that isn’t always the case.

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        You’re either trolling me or replying to the wrong person. I’m the person arguing it isn’t the result of individual decisions, in the face of people constantly telling me they’re just choosing to be homeless. I have never once said it’s the result of individual failings. I’ve been attacking the people that have.

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          Your last comment suggested these people were homeless because they couldn’t manage the expenses which sounds like you are suggesting it is a personal failure. If your intention is otherwise then it is because you communicated your beliefs poorly not because Im trolling you.

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            They are unable to manage it because our economy has deliberately made it unmanageable. I have been consistently arguing against blaming them for their problems.

            Also, two are involved in communication, the speaker and listener. That’s two points of failure. I’m not the only one.

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              Yes but you are the one that is writing posts that very much sound like the opposite of what you are trying to say. That is why I am saying it is because of your writing.

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                Stop trying to gaslight me. At no point have I blamed them. Stop derailing the discussion with this needless and baseless accusation. We had been talking for 5 comments or so apiece before this derailment of yours, and I had been insistent on not blaming them. If for a moment you thought “hey he sounds like he’s blaming them” there are two options:

                1 - I have suddenly become a completely different person with completely different opinions

                2 - You misinterpreted my words.

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                  Im not trying to gaslight you. What you claim to intend is not what is necessarily being communicated and that has to do with your word choice. You consistently come across from the beginning like you are blaming them and not realizing that is what you are saying.

                  Im not misinterpreting your words. You aren’t taking the time to read your post as if you weren’t the writer. When your intention isn’t being understood it is rarely the readers fault.

                  I accept that you don’t think you are blaming them but can you see how claims these homeless people can’t manage their finances to be able to remain housed sounds like you are blaming them?

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                    these homeless people can’t manage their finances to be able to remain housed

                    That’s your interpretation of what I said, not what I said.

                    they can’t fucking manage the expenses and responsibility that are deliberately attached to owning a home.

                    I said “deliberately attached” for a reason. Did you perhaps… not read that part? Perhaps not understand?

                    I’m saying they lost a rigged game. Losing a rigged game is not your fault. The deliberately attached expenses and responsibilities are to blame here.

                    Capitalism is to blame.