• PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.comEnglish
    81·
    1 year ago

    Lol, no. This is what happens when you don’t talk to real leftists and spend all your time circlejerking each other.

    Calling someone privileged because they are white is because whiteness bestows privileges. You’re like, “No, it doesn’t!”

    White people own 86% of wealth and make up 60% of the population

    …the homeownership rate for white households was 75 percent compared to 45 percent for Black households, 48 percent for Hispanic households, and 57 percent for non-Hispanic households of any other race.

    White High School Drop-Outs Are As Likely To Land Jobs As Black College Students

    And there’s plenty more. There is a very strong correlation between a white skin color and being anywhere other than the bottom of the social strata in the United States. Whiteness as privilege is just a shortened quip that captures that idea. You’re essentially attacking a strawman.

    Now, I will admit that #NotAllWhitePeople are as privileged as the white label might suggest. I’ve lived in Dayton, OH, hollowed out by automakers outsourcing their operations to Mexico, and they are clearly very poor. That East Palestine train débâcle is a case in point. And it flies in the face of the fact that middle-aged white men, generally considered to be the wealthiest, kill themselves at a higher rate that any other demographic.

  • T_y_rannyLoverLOL@exploding-heads.comEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    It’s never been about equality. It’s ALWAYS been about tearing into whites. Somehow people still can’t see this obvious truth. And each time, you can turn over the rock and find a jew. Every damn time.

  • aski3252@exploding-heads.comEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    Saying “white people are privileged” isn’t a judgement though, it is a perceived description of reality. And because of “racism” (the idea that humanity can be separated into different “races” based on characteristics such as skin color), if society places you in the “white people” category, you will be treated differently than if you are placed into the “non-white category”.

    To name a specific and concrete example, if you happen to get classified as “white”, you will not be racially profiled and searched by police simply because of your racial classification. In this specific case, white people have the privilege of not having to deal with that issue.

    Where the idea of white privilege falls short is that it implies that “white people” are always more privileged and/or better off than “black people” in every way, which is obviously not true. In reality, your perceived class identity is much more important when it comes to how you are probably going to be treated by society.

    The issue is that oftentimes, race is used to judge someone’s class status. A black person is more likely to be classified as “poor”. However, when you are “white”, but you look like a homeless person, you will probably be treated in a similar way.

    • alphadog@exploding-heads.comEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      What you’re describing is specific to just a few places, mostly the USA. If you go to the middle east and start dancing around in speedos as a white male you’re not going to feel very privileged.

      Agree with a lot of what you said at the end. For me, the issue is that talking about race is useless. There’s nothing CRT can predict that “financial class theory” won’t predict better. And, unlike CRT, it works everywhere on earth.

      • aski3252@exploding-heads.comEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        If you go to the middle east and start dancing around in speedos as a white male you’re not going to feel very privileged.

        So if you go to the middle east as a white person, especially a white man, you will feel incredibly privileged… Maybe more so than in the west… Of course there are significant differences depending on where exactly you go, but in a lot of places, there are significant differences of standards that apply to tourists compared to locals. And as a white person, people of course automatically assume that you are a tourist and they will be much much more tolerant towards behaviour that is normally not tolerated.

        For example, there are many places where alcohol is completely illegal for locals, but it is completely legal for tourists. And if you wear a speedo, you might get some looks, but if your white, everyone knows you are a western tourist and will most likely tolerate it. If you are a local and/or non-white, chances of it being tolerated will probably be lower. And certainly if you are female, the chances of it being tolerated is virtually 0.

        And there are many laws where the police either looks the other way, or it officially does not apply to westeners (anti-LGBT laws, sex outside of marriage laws, etc.)…

        There’s nothing CRT can predict that “financial class theory” won’t predict better.

        I mean there are a lot of different theories about many different things that might or might not be interesting for certain people. I’m not an academic, so I don’t know if CRT is usefull or not, but at the end of the day, a theory is a theory… It probably has it’s limits of usefulness, but using the state to ban/outlaw a theory seems very questionable to me on principle.

        • alphadog@exploding-heads.comEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          It depends very much on where you go, which is why I said middle east. And you’ll find that much of the “privilege” you feel is fear of your government. If they don’t fear reprisal it will go differently as it did for those idiots who were driving across the middle east trying to prove the world was all full of love.

          I never said anything about banning CRT. But the talking points here are CRT concepts.

          • aski3252@exploding-heads.comEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            It depends very much on where you go, which is why I said middle east.

            But “middle east” isn’t one place, right? There are plenty of destinations in the middle east that are insanly popular vacation spots for westeners. Many people got rich through oil there and they know that it won’t last for ever, so many places in the middle east have been shifting focus to tourism for decades now. Hell, the world’s most popular international sport event was last held in the middle east, they are spending a lot of money to signal to westeners that they are welcome and will be treated like kings…

            And it seems to be working as many westeners, especially Europeans, enjoy traveling to the middle east. I know a lot of people who go to the middle east for vacation and while I personally am not really extremly interested in traveling there, I have not heard anyone feeling afraid of the government there…

            And you’ll find that much of the “privilege” you feel is fear of your government.

            I don’t find that at all… I’m sure there are places in the middle east, like places in Afganistan for example, where I wouldn’t feel save. But even Afganistan/the taliban are begging for tourists, so I would mainly be afraid of ending up in the crossfire, not that the government will specifically target me for being white… There might be other groups who target me for being white and the government will probably fuck with me if I disregard the rules, but certainly not more so than the government fucks with the local people, who are generally seen as “non-white”.

            If they don’t fear reprisal it will go differently as it did for those idiots who were driving across the middle east trying to prove the world was all full of love.

            No clue who you are talking about, you are gonna have to provide a few more details.

            I never said anything about banning CRT.

            But that’s ultimately why politicians rant against “CRT”, right? They want to “ban CRT” and so far, they have been successful in 16 states. And the problem of course is that according to those politicians, “CRT” can mean pretty much anything vaguely related to race, which is great for them because they can use “anti CRT” to ban a relatively wide range of topics.

            This is what gets me with many conservatives, you say stuff like “we like free speech, we don’t want to ban free speech”, and then as soon as some politician wants to ban something you don’t like, you support them…

            But the talking points here are CRT concepts.

            According to politicians, CRT can mean virtually anything even remotely conntected to race…