Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Sunday warned of an “authoritarian expansion of power” by the Supreme Court after it released several controversial opinions in it’s last week of the…
AOC for president, what a breath of fresh air
I’d vote for her in a heartbeat.
In a more reasonable world, I would like to see her get at least 5 more years experience as a senator before running.
Yeah, this is not the reasonable world timeline so lets get her going!
legislators dont get better with experience
Isn’t that why there’s a minimum age for president, though?
Can you explain what she’s done since she’s been in office? All I see is her virtue signaling on social media. I wasn’t a fan of her faked border pictures of her crying at a fence when it was proven there was nothing on the other side and she just did it for publicity. I’ve never seen her argue anything of actual substance and research beyond the usual Democratic dog whistles.
Please at least explain to me why you like her if you’re gonna downvote me. Please be specific. Most people that like her just seem to like her because she’s a Democrat but then she acts super sketch like when it came down to force the vote and her not voting in the direction that her supporters and constituents wanted. She just seems more like a typical neo-lib.
What is “virtue signaling” in this case? Proposing and advocating for progressive legislation? Refusing to vote on controversial policies that are endorsed by the party? Using her bully pulpit to try and push issues?
Voting no on the debt ceiling bill was not very “neoliberal”. But I guess that “doesn’t count” since it passed anyway?
Seems to me that “virtue signaling” is just a disingenuous way to discredit someone doing the job of being an elected legislator. Don’t vote for her if you don’t like her, but try to have an actual specific reason for it.
It didn’t bother you that she went to the border and took photos fake crying about immigrants that weren’t actually there? It’s super phony and it’s exactly the kind of trash that fires up her base on social media. She’s an instigator and has some super naive views about the economy and fiscal policies that sound nice in theory but wouldn’t play out properly in practice because she doesn’t seem to understand even simple math. You can’t just keep promising people free money. Our country is already 10s of trillions in debt. It’s my biggest issue with progressives… Endless ideas but no feasible way of paying for it. Look at the homeless problem in California. It spawned a multi-million dollar industry that only continues to survive as they get more funding that is overwhelmingly soaked up by the administration itself.
It’s why people like me are resistant to progressive ideas they all sound nice on paper and the default is just “tax the rich” when in reality, you can’t keep this kind of spending going even if you taxed the top 1% at 90%. The Covid stimulus cost taxpayers nearly 1 trillion dollars. That’s a one-time payment and again, with money we don’t have. Please make it make sense and not with idealistic hand waving and just insisting that richest people could (or would) be able to fix our gross debt and out of control spending. The bubble has to pop at some point. Republicans are just as much to blame for the debt. Trust me, I’m not Republican, I just can’t stand the politicians that just call everyone else names and label them awful things for simply asking questions or having a different point of view.
Basically, if a progressive advocates for a policy position, that’s virtue signaling and bad. If a rep doesn’t have all the answers and hasn’t already passed all the legislation they shouldn’t be taken seriously. I guess you don’t vote often.
So long as the GDP raises faster than the debt payments you can continue raising the debt infinitely. This isn’t a radical Progressive Theory it’s basic macroeconomics. I agree, it’s a bubble that will eventually pop. The bubble called capitalism. When your entire economic system can only function on the principle of growth it cannot be maintained forever. So we better be preparing right now for what comes after capitalism. One of the best things we can do is invest now in building the things we need built to survive it, not just as a nation but as a planet. I bet you don’t have any helpful ideas for that, though.
To be clear though, Republicans/conservatives are certainly not “just as much to blame”. They’re much much more responsible. They refuse to do the policies that are maintenance of society and instead push off those payments until there’s an economic catastrophe that requires huge spending bills to address.
Go join Strong Towns. That’s what it looks like when a conservative actually tries to solve problems around financial sustainability. They have the kind of answers you’re looking for. The fact that most conservatives label that organization as far left really tells you the state of American conservatism in general though.
And next time you want to talk about how bad AOC is just keep the framing to how dangerous hero worship in general is. People aren’t going to disagree with you there. Don’t whip out all these disingenuous Reddit-style argument strategies. Say the thing you actually care about instead of making up bullshit.
Well said.
it’s exactly the kind of trash that fires up her base on social media
You’re experiencing her “base” right now. Likely 3 abject fucking losers with alt accounts but irrespective, that’s her base.
She’s an absolute fucking buffoon and a laughing stock in NY as soon as you step foot off the internet.
Virtue signaling as in, making sure people knows she’s progressive by when it came to force the vote, when she needed to vote progressively, she didn’t. She makes sure everyone is progressive but when it comes down to it, she’s hasn’t seemed to do much, but everyone calls her an all star because she says the words that progressives want to hear.
Also, some people just don’t agree with her world view, which is perfectly fine. We are so astronomically in debt that simply saying you want to keep allowing spending of money we haven’t had in decades feels very reckless, at least without the caveat that there needs to be serious cuts. The government is incredibly bloated and we are going to default hard at some point if we don’t reign it in. There’s nuance to be discussed here but I’m afraid kbin is gonna be just like Reddit where anyone that tries to open discussion or get answers will just be downvoted and hated on for simply not going with the site’s progressive leaning.
I’m still waiting for someone to provide me more than just “she is fighting the corporate rot” when I haven’t really actually seen any proof of that from her beyond just lots of talk and grandstanding on social media. That’s the virtue signaling I’m referring to. And please don’t do the “whataboutisms” with Republican members of congress because they certainly do it too and I’ll call them out for it, but the current focus is on AOC.
Your take on the debt ceiling is at odds with history. When Democrats and Republicans pass bills that require spending, they are forcing the increase of the debt ceiling. This happened under Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, everyone. If Washington politicians were serious about limiting the debt, they would have not passed all of these bills.
If you think that politicians should care about national debt, then you need to be calling on them to reduce spending in ordinary legislation, not on debt ceiling legislation.
That being said, I don’t know where you’re going to find the savings. What does the federal government spend a lot of its money on? Social security medicare, medicaid, and the military. Which of those do you want to cut?
Goverment spending is an investment, people seem to not understand that. Well funded public schools lead to more prosperous communities, better infastructure facilitates commerce etc…
If you have a stable revenue source it doesn’t make financial sense to NOT leverage it. You keep your cash freed up for other investments or to earn interest depending on the market.
What exactly we invest that money into is an increadibly important and nuanced issue. You could fund all of AOCs proposals for the price it takes to refuel a nuclear submarine, but we are willing to take on debt to refuel the sub because we deem it important. If you wanna cut spending EVERYWHERE then we can talk, but most people against national debt are perfectly fine with military spending.
seconded
I am not aware of a single piece of legislation she has sponsored that got passed.
AOC as the Democrat’s candidate seems like a path to another Trump-type Republican in the White House. There must be few Democrats the Republicans would prefer to face in a national election.
It might not be inspiring, but for now I just want the Democrats to nominate moderate presidential candidates who will win. Even the worst Democrat is light years ahead of the best post-Trump Republican. There’s too much at stake and the world literally might not survive the consequences of the next Trump or Trump-like presidency.
The world is literally at stake and it won’t survive the Dems either.
Capitalists are going to be our planets death, who cares what letter goes in front of their name.
How exactly is AOC remotely comparable to trump?
I think the point is that having a Democratic candidate that far to the left would push centrists towards voting for a Republican, and there are a fair few of them like Trump.
Did you not read what I wrote? I said that AOC as the Democratic candidate means the Republican candidate has a much clearer route to win - she’s a candidate to appeal to the Democratic faithful, not one for the swing voters.
She’d get my vote.
She could be the first female President of the United States, after the loss of Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.
But not for at minimum one more cycle, which is a political eternity.
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I don’t think so. She often stumbles over her words which isn’t very good when you are running for president.
Also I still don’t think the country is ready to vote for a woman president.
I mean I’d love to see it but I just don’t think it will happen.
I want to point out the SCOTUS judges who are doing the most hurt are those appointed by presidents who never got the popular vote. In essence, we are being ruled by tyrrany of the minority.
Imagine thinking correct interpretation of the Consitution was “tYrAnNy!”
SCOTUS has definitely shaped their opinions to give them the final say in just about everything the government does.
The constitution did that…
Also, congress can legislate as they please as long as it doesn’t violate the constitution.
Congress chooses not to do that for most things peasants care or need done.
we should abolish the constitution and start over. it’s an outdated piece of paper that doesn’t treat me like a human being.
Interesting hot take. Would you like the current crop of politicians to write that when they have trouble passing regular laws?
no confidence in the current crop of politicians to begin with.
Typically you do a good, hearty round of invoking a french mechanism before continuing with anything major like that. Out of an abundance of caution.
These days, hard to say how you get yourself to a blank slate. The wealthy in this country are richer than any of the nobility our forefathers ever had to contend with.
easier there, chief, u glowin’
Marbury vs. Madison did it. Judicial review isn’t explicitly in the Constitution.
That’s only because our legislative branch is entirely ineffective.
It’s very effective, it’s just we’ve decided to vote in a bunch of plutocrats to manage it.
Indeed. They surely got no problems providing welfare, tax cuts and good policy for legal persons to develop and grow strong!
I think it’s worse now. Even if the legislature gets fixed, SCOTUS would shoot down everything they don’t want.
Proof of the legislature being fixed will include court reform bills getting passed.
I wonder what her opinion is on the Israeli judicial reform.
Actually on second thought I don’t really care to know
“I don’t really care to know” is your personal mantra.
There’s plenty of that to go around.
Hey are you @ing me on purpose or is it some weird feature of this new space?
Hey. Yeah. Sorry. When I hit reply on kbin it @‘s everyone above me in that comment all the way to the OP. I guess I didn’t realize it. When I responded to this just now I had to delete 2 or 3 other people.
What, afraid you might hear an opinion based in fact for once?
Sorry, that’s rude. I’m sure it would conflict with your entire worldview and make you very uncomfortable. Naturally, that must be avoided at all costs, up to and including the cost of democracy being ripped from under your feet.
Ahh yes… Let’s do some political PR here today🙄
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@Odusei no one gives a fuck about your shitty opinion.
No shit. I just don’t want to hear about her opinion either. Does anyone know if we can create similar filters here?
Yawns
Assuming that Sanders isn’t long for this world, I really hope we don’t lose her.
