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The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that a web designer can refuse to create websites for same-sex weddings on religious grounds. The case involved a Colorado web designer named Lorie Smith, who refused to create a website for a same-sex couple’s wedding. The couple filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, alleging that Smith’s refusal violated their civil rights.
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Also relevant: https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-gay-marriage-website-real-straight-man-supreme-court
The “gay man” this woman claims contacted her to have a wedding website made:
- Isn’t gay.
- Was already married at the time she claims he contacted her about the website.
- Denies ever contacting anyone about a wedding website, because, uh, he’s already married.
Well, they opened a way for businesses to refuse anyone for religious reason. The future doesn’t look bright now.
It doesn’t really even have to be “religious”. Any so-called “strongly held belief” now lets people discriminate.
Stop serving republicans, everyone!!!
Yep, they seem to have forgotten that it wasn’t that long ago a strongly held religious belief that blacks were lesser beings and needed to be segregated from proper folk.
Oh they didn’t forget. That’s just a bonus to them.
The last time the future looked bright for this country I was listening to the radio and heard about the new “grass roots” movement called the"tea party"
This doesn’t protect them from being socially boycotted though, which will hurt their bottom line more anyway.
We can all now refuse to work with republicans
You always could; political party was never a protected class. The SCOTUS has now allowed people to discriminate based on intrinsic traits. Under this ruling, if someone has a “strongly held belief” that they shouldn’t make websites for people of color, they are allowed to refuse.
I was about to say I was willing to defend this one on freedom of speech grounds, but no, if this was about race and not sexuality this would be reprehensible, and thus it is still reprehensible.
Seriously depressing. Constantly feels like we’re two steps forward and three steps backwards with a conservative majority in any legislative body.
Minority rule will inevitably lead to injustice.
Did I miss the two steps forward?
Affirmative action would have qualified as a step forward, but that’s gone now. Abortion, but that’s permanently on the ropes and I’ll die of shock if it doesn’t disappear, especially with the working class refusing to have children when they can barely feed themselves.
I do still retain the legal option to own and withdraw from my own bank account without a man’s written or spoken permission, the lack of which trapped my grandmother in a horrifically abusive relationship, so that’s pretty sweet. We came damn close to having healthcare for a minute there, before anyone noticed.
We’re ethically doing a tango.
Welcome to America, where ‘religious liberty’ is the right to be a shitty bigot
“There’s no hate like Christian love.”
So now people can deny literally anyone. People are free to put “WHITES ONLY” or “STRAIGHTS ONLY” out front
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That would be because it implicitly leads to instantaneous segregation of some kind. The idea is nice, but it never goes well.
Don’t like X at your restaurant? There are other restaurants. What about when none of them will serve you either, because it’s a small town and the owners are all friends? Can’t eat takeout if you’re the wrong ethnicity now?
What if the career you’re trying to break into is a hard one and they have other candidates that fit the company better, despite being far less qualified (they are straight)? There are laws in place against this, but they’re the same ones that got affirmative action overturned because it was ruled that favoring against the majority was still oppression. That could logically make it to the floor if the first one did.
Naturally, this would extend to education. It is their strongly held belief that they shouldn’t have to teach and learn alongside others whose ideals or status they disagree with. Disruptive to the atmosphere. They can always just…set up schools specifically for them, if they’re bothered.
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The idea is supposed to be applied in narrow scopes, in this case it’s intended for protected classes. It’s supposed to bar discrimination against “what” someone is (race, sex, orientation, etc.), not what they believe. So it wouldn’t be applicable to the examples you gave.
I agree that it’s a difficult balance to strike, but it may be worth the risk. I think we could ask a similar question from the other side as well, e.g. “When do we call it ‘segregation’ and where do we draw that line?”
If you refuse to make the same product for someone because they’re gay, that should be illegal.
If you refuse to make a product because it’s gay, that should be within your rights. However much of a terrible person that makes you.
If a Christian asked me to make a Christian website, I’d say no and that should be within my rights. If a Christian asked me to make a hobby photography website similar to one I made for someone else, I should not be allowed to refuse on the grounds that they are Christian.
Weddings aren’t gay; it’s just a wedding in which the people involved are gay. Refusing to make a wedding website solely because the people getting married are gay is exactly what you claim should be illegal.
So what do we do now?
Drag the idea of stacking the SCOTUS into the mainstream so that we can unfuck the court? Drink? A little from column A and a little from column B?
What’s going to happen when the right wing puts measures into place (aside from blatant gerrymandering) to stop Democrats from getting their candidates elected, making stopping them impossible legally? 🤔
I suppose we’ll have to cross that bridge when we get there. For now, though, this is not the case. Vote as if it is the last chance you’ll ever get, every election.
Oh, make no mistake, we should definitely vote straight-blue tickets or organize our own 3rd party from now on.
But this is a blatant setup for genocide. You ever read the 10 stages of genocide? If not, go hit up Human Rights Watch and read it. We’re a hard Stage 7 right now, and that means we need to start preparing for violence now. We can’t wait until the threat is imminent to prepare because by then it’ll be too late.
I don’t want to set you up for moderator action, but I’m curious as to what “start preparing for violence” looks like to you. Hypothetically speaking.
Like buying bulletproof vests to protect themselves from violence that will be coming as a result of this, talking with families and loved ones, having an escape plan in place when things get ugly, arranging to have some place to go to. Like Canada
I don’t think it’s quite so dire as all that, but if it makes you feel better it can’t hurt.
Sounds like Civil Rights Movement 2: Electric Boogaloo, except nobody is protesting yet.
So screwed up that they decided Affirmative Action on Equal Protection grounds and then pivoted to First Amendment rights to justify this decision.
It’s a constitutional failure in the US that rights can be undermined by the court in this way without any checks.
That it is. We need to make our representative democracy more… representative. Things like:
- uncapping the seats for the house of representatives
- moving away from plurality voting
- getting rid of, or otherwise nullifying, the electoral college
There’s a boatload of other stuff but I think those three would have the greatest return on investment.
The problem is that we are living under minority rule, and the minority that is ruling knows that if they lose power they may never get it back, which makes them desperate and dangerous.
Another good SCOTUS ruling.
What about the web designers civil rights? It doesn’t seem right to force someone to perform work that is at odds with their religious beliefs.
While I disagree with the web designer, the same-sex couple is free to find another developer.
What if instead of a web designer, it’s a grocery store? And it’s the only grocery store in town?
Still a good ruling?
