• bigbrowncommie69 [any]@hexbear.net
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      There’s that great video that’s gone around a couple times exploring the history of how Israel uses sex to sell itself. Seems they use “gay tolerance” and pride imagery as a way to advertise it as a place of sexual freedom in a fetishistic way, not in an actual liberatory kind of way.

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      I thought the story there was that marriage is left to the temples and the temples are so universally bigoted that you aren’t going to be able to get gay-married, but it’s not actually illegal.

      Death to Israel, if it needs clarification.

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      Tel Aviv is the only even remotely gay friendly part of Israel. It’s comparable to saying Texas is an LGBTQ haven because Austin exists. And even that doesn’t do it justice, if anything, I’m being too nice to Israel by comparing them to Texas on LGBTQ rights.

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    They still can’t fucking read even when when it’s laid out in front of them! That tweet Ms Wu is quoting specifically says that the only marriage recognised in Israel is a religious marriage. Do they think a bunch of religious zealots from the apartheid regime of Israel are going to take part in an LGBT marriage? Just think about it for 5 seconds!

    Honestly we need a basic literacy campaign for these idiots. They need to learn to read, from the ground up again. These internet influencer buffoons can’t even read at a fourth grade level.

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        There are different sects of orthodoxy

        Not to mention it’s not like they have a Pope telling them what to think anyway

        Not that it would make them think different anyway, just like with the Pope

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        Not all of them, and there’s a lot of different subtypes of Orthodox. My comment is overly simplified but basically not even all types of Orthodox Jews can have a legal Israeli marriage, it’s at the discretion of the rabbinical court.

        I also actually didn’t know this until now, but looks like other marriages are recognized as long as it’s an approved religion, of which Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, & Renewal Jews are not.

        Israel recognizes only marriages under the faiths of Jewish, Muslim, and Druze communities, and ten specified denominations of Christianity.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel

        They can all emigrate to Israel, but are not recognized as religiously Jewish. Most Jews in the US are Reform, the second largest group are various types of Orthodox. The chunk of US Jews that are unaffiliated are even larger than the US Orthodox population.

        This leads to an odd situation where a huge chunk of Jews that emigrate to Israel are not actually considered religiously Jewish for the purposes of burial or marriage.

        There are sects of Orthodox Jews in Israel (mostly Haredi, which is itself also a large umbrella with many subtypes) that are anti-zionist on religious grounds.

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    So, i’ve tried looking up what the situation is actually like for trans people in Israel because i was aware that Israel does not allow same sex marriages, which made me wonder if it would be possible for Briana to at least get legally recognized as a woman so she could marry her husband (if they both convert, ofc - there simply is no secular marriage in Israel. That’s why they do not allow interfaith or gay marriage). And oh boy, is it hard to find something about trans rights in Israel that goes into more depth than “legal recognition, but it’s complicated”. Turns out it is actually incredibly shitty:

    https://upr-info.org/sites/default/files/documents/2018-01/js6_upr29_isr_e_main.pdf

    To summarize the trans related part of that report:

    Up until 2016, bottom surgery was a requirement for legal recognition. BTW, accessing bottom surgery through public health care is at the same time made almost impossible “due to several regulatory failures in this domain”. If you do not get bottom surgery, you have to get judged by a “comittee” and get a ton of transmedicalist bullshit hurled at you. The comittee also acts completely intransparent, does not answer to anybody, tells nobody what their guidelines for determining if an applicant should be recognized as their gender are, has the right to question anybody you know, and is also in charge of determining if you are allowed to receive gender affirming care. Which it makes conditional on getting bottom surgery. Which you then can’t get even if you want to. Even seeing the committee takes about 3-5 years on average.

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      Doesn’t TERF Island allow trans people to get married? And even recognizes their gender legally? I’m flabbergasted. Bamboozled, even. Utterly confused. Completely surprised the fascist death cult ethno state has worse rights for LGBTQ+ people than some of the most bigoted countries on the planet.

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        The TERF island thing is mainly because there is a small but very vocal bipartisan TERF media class that has been allowed to dominate the narrative. Whenever they poll people in the UK they are generally less transphobic than say the USA. And as far as treatments go the UK actually has or had “good” gender care in the sense it has free publicly funded gender clinics something that most countries simply do not have, but because they have been subjected to this wave of transphobia, as well as crippling austerity in general, they have absurdly long waiting lines, while being staffed with TERFS and trans-medicalists at various levels.

        Compared to say Australia, where transphobia is still thankfully mostly a crank fringe thing (still definitely present), but in most states outside of some public hospitals having paediatric gender clinics for children, all adult transgender care is done by private clinics with doctors who has a special interest in gender care and you basically have to get private insurance for gender affirming surgery or travel. So you get better care but there can be a significant financial barrier.

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        And even recognizes their gender legally?

        Self-ID or whatever it’s called has been pushed for on that God forsaken rock but unsurprisingly the TERF lobby has blocked it afaik

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    This is the same guy who was confidently claiming that dozens of American doctors were lying about Gazan children being shot in the head.

    CW: X-ray scans of dead children


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    we’ve progressed beyond opinion-havers that just skim a bunch of wikipedia articles and form a vibes based opinion from that, now they skip straight to vibes-based opinion based on nothing but other people’s takes

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    Lol everyone on Twitter is claiming “THIS ISN’T TRUE!!! YOU JUST HAVE TO… fly to Cyprus to get married.”

    So, it is banned in the country, but there is a loophole that requires you to buy a plane ticket to another country. So in other words… it’s banned in the country.

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    Libs understanding of any conflict or issue is coincidentally exactly the same as the monologue in their preferred late night show that had to not get censored to be put on air.

    Colbert never mentioned that isreal is an apartheid state so that is literally new information to them.

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    They love to talk about how progressive Israel is with regards to homosexuality, but gay marriage isn’t even legal there.

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    What about interracial marriage?

    Apparently, Beta Israelis have married Ashkenazi Jews in Isn’trael.

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    Anything else would go against the purpose of the ethnoreligious state, namely

    spoiler

    They must secure the existence of their people and a future for settler children. They’re just trying to manifest their destiny of having more room to live.