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President Biden has refused to allow Ukraine to use long-range Western missiles on Russian military targets, but he appears to be wavering.
A deadly uptick of Russian guided glide bombs slamming into Ukrainian cities — as many as 800 in a single week this summer — has injected new urgency into a long-running debate over whether Ukraine should be allowed to launch missiles supplied by the West at military targets deep in Russian territory.
Amid signs that President Biden is wavering, the issue will be on the table when he meets in Washington on Friday with Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, after the two leaders dispatched their top diplomats to Kyiv on Wednesday to hear out the latest pleas from Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky.
Ukraine has for months asked to use Western long-range weapons to attack more of the military sites that Russia uses to launch missiles and house the warplanes that drop the large, free-fall glide bombs that are wreaking havoc on Ukrainian forces and cities.
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Um, yes. Yes they should. A LOT.
Um, hell yeah
Whatever helps this war of aggression end sooner rather than later. Their Black Sea navy is in shambles already, do their Air Force next.
Yes
Unequivocally and obviously yes
Yes
Yes
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Of course. The other side is doing it, why shouldn’t they? It was a big mistake to not let them in the first place. Many many people are dead because of it.
They should hit any and all military targets.
Yes, and they never should have been there to begin with.
On the one hand: yes. Fuck Russia, they initiated this conflict, and retaliation against your aggressors should be at least proportional if not moreso.
On the other hand: I have a lot of trepidation about escalations of conflict. WWIII feels very possible with the current instability between Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, and every increase in violence edges us closer. I don’t think we’re at the same risk level as we were at the height of the cold war, but we’re close.
The question is how do we minimize loss of life while maximizing justice. The first consideration is objective, the second is subjective. I don’t have a good answer, and I don’t know how allowing Ukraine to show full force will impact either. War sucks
And that’s precisely the sort of logic that Putin is incredibly good at taking advantage of.
Appeasement harms far more people in the long run.
Sometimes, decisive - and yes, violent - action is genuinely the best option in the larger geopolitical context.
The lead-up to the invasion of Poland before WW2 is a highly appropriate context to use as a comparison - if Chamberlain had been able to successfully rally the UK’s allies (including the US) and convince them to forcibly oppose the Anschluss, the whole goddamn war might not have even happened as it did in history. Of course, the possibility of Stalin becoming the Big Bad of that conflict as a result instead of Hitler (vacuum of power and all that) can’t be dismissed, but at the same time, that’s all hypothetical, and similar logic could have been applied to that potential conflict as well. I am, of course, taking a HUGE amount of creative and historical liberty - there are tons of reasons why things unfolded as they did, and why what I’m saying here was deeply unlikely, if not outright impossible at the time… but still, thought experiments like this can be useful to consider sometimes.
have you lived under the rock for the last month? ukrainians rolled through russian border and along the way erased all russian red lines
This is the only elaborated comment here. It’s not even any kind of a strong opinion, but still enough to get several dislikes. Probably most of them politics professors, historians, diplomats and military experts.
Thank you. Lemmy is a very unique kind of echo chamber, and I often seem to say things that aren’t exactly the “right” opinion.
Sometimes dislikes are equal to uncomfortable truth.
Ukrainian plan of only striking military targets inside Russia is in my opinion enough.
Russia will use Electronic Warfare that will probably cause civilian deaths. But you have to contrast this with the Russian practice of hitting civilian targets on purpose. Like the recent hit on a children’s hospital.
Realistically allowing Ukraine to hit listed Russian military targets will not cripple Russia. But it will IMHO push them towards real negotiations.
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Russia started the war in Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine doesn’t mean wishing genocide on Russians.
To avoid any need for Ukraine to attack with these weapons, quickly organise a revolution to take over the government and make peace with Ukraine, with proper reparations for Russian aggression ofc.
The best thing Russia can do to attempt to avoid it is to depose Putler — fast.
