This dude posts a wildly racist meme of Michelle Obama. I report the post. Funnily enough, the racist post is posted by the mod of dankmemes, dankchristianmemes and some other shit hole.

Said mod then starts sending abusive transphobic messages to me. Try to report the user. Nothing happens when I hit the button.

Shit like this is why Lemmy isn’t a viable alternative yet. We need to do better and be better.

  • MichelleG@lemmy.world
    86·
    1 year ago

    Hello everyone. This is Michelle, one of the Lemmy.world Admins/Moderators.

    I want to let you know that if you are reporting a post/comment from a community moderator, please message me and let me know your concern. Especially if it relates to the violation of server rules for hate speech, racism, threats, or calls to violence.

    If it’s a Lemmy.world community, they can resolve the report before we have a chance to see it. So please let me know if no action is being taken.

    If the community is on another instance, we can see the reports you submit. We can ban and remove the posts/comments from our side.

    We have zero tolerance for homophobia, racism, hate speech, bullying, child pornography, and many others that are listed under our server rules.

    The moderation tools we currently have are not very robust, but I hope this helps clarify what can be done to escalate issues.

        • miridius@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 year ago

          It’s an often requested feature that I’m sure will come to Lemmy sooner rather than later, but in the meantime there is a bit of a workaround: if you’re using a browser then you can block a whole instance using ublock origin. Note that Firefox mobile supports ublock as well.

          I’ll try to find the post with instructions and then edit my comment to include it here

      • db2@lemmy.one
        1·
        1 year ago

        A post on that goofball server says:

        Exploding-Heads.com will go offline August 31st 2023.

        So we won’t have to deal with their whiny racist sexist bullshit for long.

        If you’re curious an accurate tl;dr of the post that’s from is “waah we can’t be total shitheads with impunity while also telling everyone else what to do, so we’re going to voat nostr where other insufferable brats also go.”

    • masquenox@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      Soooo… I don’t see any way to report abusive mod behavior at all here on lemmy - there doesn’t even seem to be a way to let the other mods of a given community know about the behavior of one of their mods. I’ve just been suspended from World News because one of the mods there decided that the term white supremacist counts as a perjorative.

        • masquenox@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Are you aware we can see all of your removed comments?

          Emmm… yes. So can I. It’s in the modlog, isn’t it?

          And are there no options to DM admins

          I was under the impression I was responding to an admin… right up there.

          like not directly mentioned on the sidebar?

          Not the sidebar I’m looking at… the only option is to individually message the mods themselves. Should I have messaged all of them or just picked one?

          You should be surprised one of our staff didn’t just ban you from the site.

          Please clarify your stance on this very clearly so that everybody is perfectly clear on this - do you or do you not consider the term white supremacist to be some kind of racial perjorative?

          • morphballganon@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            I’m not an admin, so I can’t see whatever deleted comments they’re talking about, but fyi: there’s only one R in pejorative.

            (I know you weren’t asking me, but no, white supremacist is not a pejorative, any more than environmentalist or progressive is. They’re all just descriptors that can be used in otherwise appropriate or inappropriate statements)

            • masquenox@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              there’s only one R in pejorative.

              Thank you for the correction - it’s not a word I care to use much. Also… I copy-pasted it from World News’s sidebar.

              any more than environmentalist or progressive is.

              I have no idea how terms like environmentalist or progressive can be used as pejoratives.

              I know you weren’t asking me

              I kinda need the people with executive power to answer this - I might be new to Lemmy, but I’m not new to these kinds of discussions, and I know better than to invest energy in tackling issues of white supremacism when the people with executive power do not understand (or don’t want to understand) how white supremacism actually works.

              edit: Yes, you can see the comments - it’s all in the modlog down at the bottom of the page.

  • Melpomene@kbin.social
    55·
    1 year ago

    Lemmy and Kbin have both seen a huge influx of people in the past few weeks, so admins of each instance are struggling to keep up. For the most part, the admins are working for free, in addition to whatever their day jobs are.

    Having said that, I’d report those magazines / communities to the admin of the instance for action, understanding that right now, they’re buried in requests, questions, and complaints. If the issue is an entire instance, well, defederation is an option.

    FWIW, I was threatened on Reddit more than once with actual murder… people threatening to come to my house and kill me. Reddit’s general response was to… delete the chat message in question as a “resolution” to my complaint. AFAIK, that was the extent of their action. I at least have the impression that abusive users will be removed, though it might take a bit given the incredible influx of new users.

    I am sorry that they’re harassing you though. Noting to block those magazines / communities.

    • jerkface@lemmy.ca
      30·
      1 year ago

      A homophobe told me that he’d rather die than respect everyone’s right to be safe and unabused in public. I told him I didn’t believe him, why doesn’t he show us. I got permabanned, he’s still spreading hate.

    • mannycalavera@kbin.social
      15·
      1 year ago

      FWIW, I was threatened on Reddit more than once with actual murder… people threatening to come to my house and kill me. Reddit’s general response was to… delete the chat message in question as a “resolution” to my complaint. AFAIK, that was the extent of their action. I at least have the impression that abusive users will be removed, though it might take a bit given the incredible influx of new users.

      This is horrible, why do people think they can say this shit? I hope you reported this to the police? I’m pretty much most places this behaviour is illegal. It’s not a good look for Reddit to be complacent with illegal activity on their site.

      Edit: massive typos

      • Melpomene@kbin.social
        111·
        1 year ago

        It’s all good! Not that the guy would have had an easy time finding me; I’m not inclined to share my “real life” info online and I rarely use the same username / contact info on more than one site. Heck, as I note… I’m probably just an incredibly advanced AI anyway. Bleep bloop.

      • Bipta@kbin.social
        7·
        1 year ago

        They think they can say this shit because they obviously can. There are no consequences.

      • zeppo@lemmy.world
        6·
        1 year ago

        I had a similar experience, but their response was better. I had been talking on a certain sub for months (an illness support sub…) and there was one user who was prominently abrasive. Actually an odd mixture of acting tough mixed with seeming very sensitive, so I suppose basically a bully. We didn’t get along great. He liked giving factually incorrect advice mixed with telling us all we were “weak pussies” for being concerned about illness. I don’t remember all the details, but at some point he started blatantly using alternate accounts to support his viewpoints and harass people. I called him out on that and he was angry about it, and started saying things like “I’ll be in Portland next week, maybe I’ll come pay you a little visit” and “you’d better watch for me, I’ll be seeing you soon”. Reddit admins did remove his main account along with the 2-3 others he was using.

    • exohuman@kbin.social
      14·
      1 year ago

      @i_simp_4_tedcruz
      Yeah, as @melpone says it will just take time for admins to respond if you message them directly. I know Lemmy.world doesn’t tolerate people like this. This is from the lemmy/mastodon.world Code of Conduct:

      Provide a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for everyone regardless of gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, political affiliation, or other similar characteristic.

      • Melpomene@kbin.social
        4·
        1 year ago

        Instances generally need more moderators but I understand the need to screen for good / bad candidates too. We also need a way to communicate bad actors across instances easily, which does not yet seem to be a thing. Maybe I’m wrong though; I’m not moderating anything.

    • supernovae@readit.buzz
      2·
      1 year ago

      Lemmy and Kbin sites need to implement basic block lists… the terrible mastodon/akoma/pleroma/friendica sites all need to be banned here too or they will make your day bad.

      • JeffCraig@lemmy.world
        42·
        1 year ago

        And here-in lies the downfall of Lemmy. Federation can’t be an automatic thing. Communities need to be vetted before their content becomes visible on other instances. The Federation concept will work, but not the way it’s currently designed.

        • supernovae@readit.buzz
          2·
          1 year ago

          Federation can be automatic - people just need to go find the block lists where the work is already done.

  • terribleplan@lemmy.nrd.liEnglish
    141·
    1 year ago

    Things you can do in increasing order of broadness (and difficulty):

    • Block the user.
    • Block the communities.
    • Report the PMs if they are against the rules of the user’s instance. The admin of the instance should see the report and take action.
    • Contact the admins of the communities’ instance(s) if this is against those instances’ rules/moderation policies. (As far as I know there is no way to report a whole community yet). The admin of the instance(s) should see your messages and take action.
    • Contact the admins of your instance if this is against your instance’s federation or remote content policy. They may ban the community and user at an instance level, or even defederate from that instance that allows the abuse.
    • Move to a different instance. If you want admins that will take action on these issues you likely want to be on some other instance that is more proactive when it comes to moderation. Some people give beehaw shit for being aggressively moderated and defederated, but this is exactly the sort of thing they are fighting against.
    • Run your own instance and block that user/community/instance from an instance level. If all else fails you can have full control and would be able to take all of the “admin” actions I mention above.

    In my opinion the ability to do all of these actions is why Lemmy is the most viable alternative I’ve seen. You are more in-control of your destiny and experience on this platform than anywhere else I’ve seen.

    If you need help with doing any of what I mentioned don’t hesitate to ask.

    • i_simp_4_tedcruz@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      66·
      1 year ago

      I did the first 3 steps and the deafening silence told me all I needed to know. The admin of the community is the harasser. Instance admin did not act of the report(s). Lemmy is too new and I have no real affection for it, so moving to another instance in the hopes that new admins will finally do something is not even on the table. Running my own instance sounds as appealing as running my own email server for all of the same reasons.

      I appreciate your attempt at help, but very few users are going to jump through that many hoops for something that should just happen.

      • SpaceAape@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        But even having the ability to do these things speaks volumes. With lemmy you actually have the option do to do all these things, and yeah they take effort for the amount of control you want. Limiting yourself like that is limiting your own freedoms yourself in exchange for convenience. Im actually considering running my own instance just for fun.

  • dedale@kbin.social
    131·
    1 year ago

    Try PMing the admin. This is a smaller scale, non profit network, you can’t expect moderation to be as fast as in a major platform (yet).
    But I’m sure they’ll be willing to deal with it.

    I think db0 is working on some sort of collective rating for instances, maybe that could be extended to users, but I’m no sure how much good it would do, and if it wouldn’t be abused.

      • yokonzo@lemmy.world
        17·
        1 year ago

        I’m actually looking at the user right now and it looks like he’s been banned. I understand you may be a bit raw right now but hating on lemmy as a whole and instances because of one person is not a very good look. We’re all going through change right now

  • Aer@lemmy.world
    6·
    1 year ago

    Disappointing, I would really like an option to report moderators/people to the instance. As there are people who have broken the rules of the instance and whilst I want to remove them from my community I wouldn’t mind being able to forward complaints of a user to the instance admins so they can ban them from the entire instance should they need too. There have been a few that break the rules of Lemmy.World and deserve an instance wide ban.

  • daniskarma@lemmy.world
    61·
    1 year ago

    I got arrased by both users and moderators in reddit, at r/Europe, nada all I got from Reddit admins was autoresponses of “Reported content doesn’t constitute a violation of Reddit Rules”.

    I see Lemmy.world working much better than reddit seeing this post.

  • dreadedsemi@lemmy.world
    5·
    1 year ago

    Do mods see who report what? Because that means I won’t report anything. I stopped reporting on Facebook groups because of that. I stopped reporting on Reddit when Reddit started sending me feedback on my reports.

    • BigFig@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      Yes and I find it very strange. The few reports I’ve seen on my communities show who reported, what was reported, and the reason given

      Edit: also as a mod I feel that knowing who reported something isn’t necessary? The only thing I can truly think of is so mods can do something about report spam or false reporting, but to me a better solution would be having it hidden to mods, and visible to admins if it needs to be investigated for report abuse/spam/etc.?

      • Aux@lemmy.world
        51·
        1 year ago

        Mods are moderating, they should know who reports what. Anonymous reports don’t work and lead to abuse.

    • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      Had my first report appear today and it shows who sent it in. It was related to another community though so it was ignored. At least it worked.